Looks like Ford won the 2007 Recall crown for the most vehicles recalled......Mostly because of the cruise control switch recall (especially since they went back ten years and recalled vehicles that are very unlikely to have a problem with the switch).
From Light and Medium Truck Magazine:
Vehicle Recalls Up 25% in 2007
The number of vehicles recalled increased more than 25% in 2007, but the biggest recalls were largely limited to older models, suggesting that automakers are building more reliable cars and trucks, the Detroit News reported last Thursday.
Overall, 14.2 million vehicles were recalled last year, up from 11.2 million in 2006, but still far below the 30.8 million recalled in
2004, according to preliminary figures from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the paper reported.
The increase is mainly due to a big jump at Ford Motor Co., which recalled 5.5 million vehicles last year, with about 4.8 million from
2004 and earlier models.
Most were recalled for a nagging problem with a cruise control deactivation switch the Dearborn-based automaker has been dealing with for years, according to the News.
The other top five automakers saw their recall numbers decline, with General Motors Corp. seeing the biggest improvement. GM recalled
537,992 vehicles as of Dec. 21, a 61% drop.
Honda Motor Co. saw a 54% decline. Chrysler LLC and Toyota Motor Corp. also recalled fewer vehicles than in 2006, the News said. - L&MT
At least for now, the original Detroit News Article is at
There were about 16 million light trucks and cars sold last year, so the recall rate was about 1 recall per vehicle. Considering how complicated the electronics are in cars and trucks, that is pretty good rate, IMHO.
Well since over 5 million of the vehicles recalled were Ford trucks built before 2004, the numbers are even better. But these are only recalls for "safety defects" not all problems.
I don't feel recalls should be considered negatively. I think Consumer Reports should subtract them out before calculating repair rates. The end result would be that car manufacturers would tend to do more free recall repairs to keep their repair rate better than average and consumers would pay less for repairs.
What were you talking about? It is much easier to follow a thread if you in-line post rather than top post.
I don't agree. It's still a pain to get a car or truck to the dealer. Neither the dealer nor the car maker pay for fuel, wear and tear or time lost while taking the vehicle in for repairs. A separate line for in-warranty repairs (including recalls0 might be appropriate, but they should not be ignored.
I don't think how Consumer Reports reports recalls will affect the behavior of car makers at all.
"Recalls" these days are generally only for safety related items. If the manufacturer won't be sued, they typically just issue a TSB, or perhaps have a "service campaign" for significant issues that they feel will hurt their reputation or really piss off the customers. They only "recall" when absolutely necessary or ordered to do so.
Perhaps Toyota was #1 in least number of recalls per million vehicles sold, but Ford had over 9 times as many recalled vehicles as Toyota last year.
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Toyota has less than 700,000 recalled vehicles in both 2006 and 2007 vs. Ford, which sold fewer cars and trucks this year than Toyota (both in the US and worldwide), but had 5.5 million vehicles recalled last year and 4.8 million vehicles recalled the year before, about 7 times as many as Toyota over the two years (Toytao. Perhaps before tapping on your keyboard to make comments, you should try to get your facts strait so you don't look like an ass. One would think you would have learned from your VIN fiasco, but I apparently not.
Mike we covered this before. Toyota was not #1 in recalls. It wasn't even close no matter what metric you want to pick (total vehicle, number of different models, number of individual recalls). Ford was #1 as far as total number of vehicles recalled in 2007, although most of them were not actually
2007 models.
The following is a reprint from a reply to one of your posts the last time you made this BS claim:
Strictly speaking "Toyota" only has three recall campaigns in 2007:
Sept 26 - NHTSA # 07E082000 - 2007 and 2008 Camry and Lexus ES350 Floor Mats (an equipment recall, not a vehicle recall) - approximately 55,000 vehicles affected
Jan 19 - NHTSA # 07V013000 - 2004 to 2007 Sequoias and 2004 to 2006 Tundras - lower ball joint recall - 533,124 vehicles affected
There are three more recalls for aftermarket components installed in Toyotas (in some cases installed by Toyota dealers or distributors):
Jan 16 - NHTSA # 07E005000 - Scion XA and XB - aftermarket cruise control (not installed by Toyota) - 2934 vehicles affected
Jan 25 - NHTSA # 07V030000 - Scion XA and XB - Gulf States installed cruise control - 1372 vehicles affected
Jan 16 - NHTSA # 07V048000 - Scion XA and XB - Southeast Toyota installed cruise control - 716 vehicles
As far as I can detemrine that is the complete list of 2007 "Toyota/Lexus/Scion" US Recalls. In the last five months of 2007 (May to September) DiamlerChrysler (now Chrysler) has had 13 recalls:
May 2007 - 07V-192 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 270,958 MY 2005 Town and Country and Dodge Caravan minivans
May 2007 - 07V-196 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 410 MY 2007 Dodge Caliber, Jeep Compass and Patriot passenger vehicles
June 2007 - 07V-240 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 798 MY 2007-2008 Sebring and MY 2008 Dodge Avenger vehicles.
June 2007 - 07V-246 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 39 MY 2007 Dodge and Freightliner Sprinter 2500 and 3500 trucks.
June 2007 - 07V-247 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 5,062 MY 2007 Dodge Ram
1500 pickup trucks
July 2007 - 07V-291 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 80,894 MY 2007 Jeep Wrangler and Dodge Nitro vehicles.
July 2007 - 07V-299 - DaimlerChrysler Manufacturing is recalling 4,433 MY
2001-2006 Dodge Sprinter and Freightliner Sprinter 2500 and 3500 trucks
July 2007 - 07V-325 - DaimlerChrysler Manufacturing is recalling 461 MY 2007 Dodge and Freightliner Sprinter 2500 and 3500 trucks.
September 2007 - 07V-413 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 1,498 MY 2007
2-wheel drive Dodge Ram pickup trucks
September 2007 - 07V-414 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 72,333 MY 2007-2008 Avenger sedan and Chrysler Sebring convertible vehicles.
Septemeber 2007 - 07V-415 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 28,755 MY 2007-2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee and Commander sport utility vehicles
September 2007 - 07V-426 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 1,158 MY 2008 Dodge Avenger all wheel drive vehicles.
Septemeber 2007 - 07V-434 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 296,550 MY 2007 Dodge Nitro, Jeep Wrangler, and MY 2006-2007 Grand Cherokee and Commander sport utility vehicles.
Ford, GM, Nissan, VW, Volvo, and Suzuki have all had more individual recall campaigns than Toyota so far in 2007. So to be clear - Toyota has not recalled the most vehicles in 2007 and Toyota has not had the most recalls in 2007.
Mike you need to stop making stuff up. It hurts your credibility when you actaully are stating true facts.
Yeah, like the cruise control module that they sent me a letter in July saying the parts wont be available until quarter 4... so in november i was at the dealer with my pickup, and of course it was not available, apparently until quarter 1...
Speaking of "absolutely necessary" the car is a 1993... cruise worked fine all those years, and works fine to this day. They recomended I schedule an appointment to have it disconnected... now theres a waste of time ... scheduling an appointment to break something, then come back to get it fixed right... yep, that sounds about like our ford dealer.
Inline is ok on one response, but gets confusing in sequential posts.
I believe they should be left in for repairs. It is defiantly a considerable waste of time for any work done in a shop, be it a wiper blade or a transmission job, you're going to waste the same amount of time dropping it off and picking it up... maybe even more on the recall because you may choose to wait for it. These certainly are a sort of "repair" -- the mfg's should build these things properly the first time (now i know this won't happen) but left in, it is still a measure of how the vehicle is built.
If you were buying medical equipment and looked at the tsb's... would you buy brand A (lets say a chevy cavalier with 321tsbs & numerous recalls) or a brand B (lets say a crown victoria with 100tsbs and a couple recalls... ;P
Fixing a potential cruise control module is necessary if you're going to drive the vehicle with cruise control. However, more likely they were either ordered to do it by the Feds or knew they were going to be ordered to do it. However, the idea of disconnecting the cruise control is Ford's. It has to do with liability.
Thanks for showing us bottom posting isn't very easy to follow either.
Yet it is nearly impossible to avoid recalls and service problems in vehicles. There is no way to predict with 100% certainty that something will perform the way you think it will perform. Plus, not everything is made by the automakers themselves. If a subcontractor makes a mistake, that could lead to a recall.
Depends. It could be that the recalls for one brand were a lot of minor recalls and the other recalls were for problems leading to, how shall I put it?, fatal misadventures. I would look at the types of recalls as well.
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Ford initiated the original CC recall voluntarily (although NHTSA was likely to have forced an eventual recall). However this last follow-up recall seems like over-kill times three. My Father's Ranger got the treatment. It is 8 years old, doesn't have the always live circuit, and has never had a problem, yet it now has a shiny bundle of wires tacked onto the switch at the master cylinder. I think Ford just decided they didn't want any more insurance fires blamed on the CC deactivation switch. I've followed the history of this in the NHTSA complaint database. Before Ford initiated the original recall, there were very few reports of fires related to the CC deactivation switch. Almost all of the complaints were identified as being associated with a particular batch of switches used on F150s and Expeditions. For these vehicles, the circuit that included the CC deactivation switch was always live (had power even when the ignition was off). Within days of the announcement of the original recall, the complaints started pouring in. You might say that people didn't know they should complain until they realized why their truck may have caught on fire. However, many of the complaints were very suspicious - the wording was literally copied from the press reports. And a large number of complaints dealt with vehicles that did not have the same always live circuit used by the F150. Ranger, Explorers, Ford cars all used a similar switch, but the circuit was a switched circuit (no power when the ignition was off). Yet even these vehicles were claimed to be bursting into flame when parked. All very suspicious. Ford tried to end the complaints by recalling all the vehicles with always live circuits. But this was not enough. Finally they have recalled everything that could remotely have the problem, at a cost of billions. I suppose it is the only way to end the madness, but it sure seems like overkill to me.
There are plenty of floor mats in Walmart. I don't think Toyota's floor mat is any different. I know it was because of the tendency for the floor mats to slide up and trap the accelerator pedal. Did the NHTSA consider the floor mats from Walmart too=)? People can still buy them and nobody to warn them. I may sound like Toyota biased but this seems to me as a user problem. I have driven cars for years and I only use one floor mat at a time. Anyway, its good they warn the public about it.
This recall was for the heavy duty all weather floor mat Toyota supplied as an accessory. Apparently they moved around a lot (""if not properly secured") in a manner that could interfere with the operation of the accelerator pedal. It is not the standard carpet type mat. I think the fix involved a more substantial attachment. It is a Toyota recall because the mats were sold by Toyota. If a Wall*Mart floor mat caused a problem, Wal*Mart would be responsible for the recall (or the Wal*Mart supplier depending upon how it was marketed).
As per the usual Toyota practice, Toyota denies that the floor mats are defective and blames any problems with the floor mats on their Customers incompetence (see
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) NHTSA included the following statement: "Of course, depending on vehicle design, it is possible for unsecured floor mats to interfere with accelerator or brake pedals in a wide range of vehicles. Therefore, NHTSA reminds all drivers of all makes and models to check the driver-side floor mats for secure installation and to follow manufacturer instructions for installing the mats."
There was one lengthy complaint investigation of an accident originally attributed to a defective cruise control that NHTSA concluded was caused by the all weather floor mat. There are many (over 70) complaints in the NHTSA complaint database against 2007 Camrys related to speed control, throttle system, cruise control, etc that complain about unintended acceleration, hesitation, or failure of the vehicle to slow down when the accelerator was released. I believe that based on the one lengthy accident investigation and the numerous more nebulous speed control related complaints, NHTSA concluded that the all weather floor mats were defective and forced Toyota to take action (against their will). I don't have a 2007 Camry, I have never seen the all weather floor mats, and I do understand that Customers probably are improperly installing the mats. However, I also think the mats are defective (because they are difficult to install properly), and it is Toyota's responsibility to address the problem. I have had multiple vehicles with heavy duty floor mats purchased from the vehicle manufacturer (Ford, Saturn, Nissan, even Toyota) and have never had any problem with them jamming the accelerator pedal.
Perhaps for certain manufacturers, but there are also "service campaigns" that are not recalls. They are conducted by manufacturers that are fixing known defects or potential defects voluntarily. In addition, there are "service campaigns" that are "do it if the car is in for other warranty service but don't call the customer in".
From personal experience I don't think Nissan and Toyota ever do it - not sure about the Ford group included in the crosspost.
When an automaker fixes known defects or potential defects voluntarily, they are called (at least in Toyota's case) a special policy adjustment, or SPA.
It is illegal in most states for the dealer to perform any work on the customers car without the customer's consent, whether it is customer pay, warranty, SSC, or SPA work and a violation of the automaker's service policies. If the customer is not going to be charged for the work, there is no reason for the dealer to do it on the sly - the will simply call the customer and say that they found a potential problem, and would the customer OK it if the repairs will be paid for the by automer?
A Toyota dealer that routinely did work without the customer's consent would soon be audited by the district service manager or a warranty auditor from the national office and charged back for those unauthorized repairs.
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