According the DOE, almost half of the crude oil is refined into gasoline, hardly "only a small part."
In several European countries, they use half the energy, per capita, than we do in the US.
Please give us evidence that excess gasoline would just be burned off.
I mean, before it became a motor fuel? That was when? In 1896?
Jeff
No, I live about 30 km from school. I take a diesel-electric train to the train terminal, then two electric subway trains. Most of my students either walk, take a diesel bus or the subway there.
jeff
But when one has selected a car, he might be able to get a lower monthly payment at another dealer, but he won't get another car of the same model that gets better gas milage.
Jeff
I think allot of states with the coal would Love to have it in their backyard. Those states have been depressed for a long time now.
Gerald
So right Jeff. I live in No California and I know people on limited incomes will drive 8 or 10 miles each way to by 6 gallons of gasoline to save a couple of cents/gallon.
Until it really hurts to buy gasoline, no one will conserve nor will anyone even consider proper alternatives.
Hurt level probably double today's price, IMHO. Till then we'll keep sucking oil from non-home sources.
Ron
I'm with you on the mass transit idea, the only problem being is that ours sucks! We are just to plain greedy to invest in a good idea. I was born in New York City where they did have the brains to invest in it and it works great! They did have their hard time in NYC but recovered nicely and it's one of the best transit systems in the world.
Gerald
That is like 0.1% of the price of gasoline. Gasoline is now around 300 c ($3.00), and the total taxes are 0.445c or less than 1/2 a cent. I would have thought they would be more.
Nomen?
First off I'm not sure why you would not want your post archived... ? Secondly I do think that People Owned had anything to do with the U.S.S.R. That was a dictatorship. The People owned nothing... My wife is from Russia... She is wonderful...
Gerald
Hurt level depends on wealth and income. If gas double in price, I would still go where i want to go. But there are people who can't afford to go where they want to go now. What I think we will see happening is that the economy will slow down because poor people can't afford to buy as much and the price of plastics and other petroleum-based goods will go up. In addition, people will start buying more fuel-efficent cars in the next few years, if the gas prices don't fall back to less than $2.00 per gallon. Very few people will rush to trade in their SUVs for small cars, but when the time comes, more people will buy small cars (and some will even buy hybrids).
Jeff
NYC's transit system does have some short comings, like the idiots who manage it. In addition, it would be better if trains from NJ, upstate NY and Conn. would go to more places than just Penn Station, Grand Central Station and a few stops on the way.
In addition, there are some areas of NYC where the subways are not convient. And more subways are needed to go to the upper east side and harlem.
But it is an excellent system.
NYC has millions of people. That is very helpful in making a functional system. That is one reason why other smaller cities can't make a go of mass transit.
Jeff
Oils not the answer. We can drill for a long time to come. What is needed is for the people to wake up and come up with free ideas and more technology to make things more effiencent
Agreeed! The energy companies along with our wonderful White House that will keep the people at bay. They do not want you to succeed. 500 million to an Exxon Mobil exec??? For what, for stealing from the people... Incredibal!
Gerald
Did you really say 100 million? 100 million is only 1/5 of what that Exxon Mobil guy will take home as a pension. FUNNY, we are talking about the whole of the U.S., Canada, the world to be a better place to live and work. The GOV, needs to spend a couple more bucks to put these plants in a couple more backyards. Cleanly! The coal commericals on TV are very good and they have come along way but at the same time I hope they spend as much on saftey as they do on getting reserves out of the ground. The Men and Women doing this job for our life styles need to be backed up with our dollars for a futurist safe envirorment. They don't have it now.
Gerald
Well I don't beleive that much. There was a town in Texas what during the early 1900's that fell victim to a storm also. I wish I could remember the name now, Agausta comes to mind. They got nuked by mother nature also but they came back to rebuild but they build something that could almost not be knocked down. New Orleans needs to do the same project but with the engineers and also add to this idea would be to get the envirorment to work as it had sice the 1700's or before. The current system is and was a joke for many years. A better idea would put many people to work and save history in my view. Yes they need to deal with the wetland problem, it is because the screwed this idea up that they had as big a problem as they did last year. Yeah.. a little crazy tonight...
Gerald
I should have added that not only is a lot of the crude oil that we import refined into gasoline, but we also import around 1,000,000 barrels a day of gasoline:
jeff
Let's put some common sense in play:
Yes and No... we were warned in the seventies. But the greens had the ear of the politicians.. while we went on about our lives.
So we rule out evidence that refutes them.. Check out caribou population, check out wildlife in Prudhoe bay.
We should have HAD that site drilling done, at least one producing well- site in every field. We should have HAD industry consortium pulling oil from Colorado Oil shale.
We SHOULD NOT have Power Plants burning natural gas or fuel oil because it's cheaper than coal scrubbing. We SHOULD have had Power plants running on coal gasification, developed again, by industry consortium with research/dev funding supplied by tax breaks, rather than trading pollution credits. You think that wouldnt make much difference? What is China using all that oil, for? What if China actually bought our technology to make coal burn cleaner, wouldnt that actually help us in other areas?
First and foremost: We SHOULD have NEVER stopped building state of the art nukes. As I pointed out elsewhere even the guy who started the anti- nuke lobby NOW says it was a mistake.
Three-Mile Island was a success story, Chernobyl was the warning! But it was demogogue politicians and the press that made them seem the same.
Do you REALLY think energy companies are at fault? Or is it 'WE THE PEOPLE, SAYING "BUILD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR ANYTHING!"
It was "You the People" that keep electing that idiot Kennedy... who ignores or counters everything his nephew promotes because of nimby.
- - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - Now... THIS is a warning, I am actually being nice here... if I read ONE more 'the people vs big bad corp' themed simple minded opinion on here, I am going to come out with all guns blasting. You think I'm crusty now... you aint seen nothing!
It may SEEM that way... but the thing is you state that view, more clearly and concisely than most, without a lot of other idiocy, like Nomen's, thrown in.
Thus you seem the target but you're not. The IDEA is the target.
"gerald2003r" wrote:
Yep, we lost a lot of time and wasted a lot of fuel listening to those bark chewers. I doubt we still have the technical expertise to build nuke power plants. We'd most likely have to ask France to help us. You're right about the coal, we have much but not using it much, very sad.
U.S. is in decline, but it didn't have to be. Had we more GWB like administrations in the past we would still be leading the world in every area. More Carter like administrations and we'll be a third world country.
Well, here I go again.
Follow the society-progression threads in Marx, Lenin, Engels. "Authoritarianism until enlightenment" Now understand human nature... who is it runs the central planning; who manages the national companies? Where did the Russian Mafia come from? Are we to believe it just sprang, fully-mature, in the eighties and nineties?
Aren't they the same personality/mindsets that we saw at Enron? Why did Enron happen? Wasnt it enabled by people-elected politicians setting little loopholes in the tax-codes? Why would they be any different in overseeing National Socialism (cause that's what you really advocate)? Politicians are SMARTER THAN YOU becuase they got YOU to elect them. Why did Enron come to light? Because of a whistleblower within. What happens to someone who does that in a central planning society?
That whistle-blower may get another job at another private company...or with a government agency (well, prolly not the guvmint for obvious reasons) but what if the government WAS the employer? Where would that whistleblower earn a living?
Go for it. That will keep you too busy to troll.
Mike
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