Only BMW 5 Series, Hyundai Sonata get NHTSA top safety ratings of 2011 models

like this kind of heavy vehicle "john"?

heavy doesn't mean shit if the passenger cell deforms. yet another myth brought to you by the united alliance of public cash extraction - detroit and the oil industry.

no bias there then!

yeah, suv's are "dead" safe - they never roll and crush their occupants.

And then you have this:

This makes retrieval of the bodies a piece of cake. :-)

That is a nearly a ten year old test and the F150 tested was a 1995 design while the Tundra was designed 5 years later. Like most newer vehicles, the

2010 F150 did far better than the older models.

One thing that always makes me wonder about those tests is how the vehciles actually perform in the real world. For instance if you take a look at the injury loss rating for 2001 Pick-ups, the F150 actually has a lower injury loss rating than the 2001 Tundra, despiste horror stories as portratyed in the IIHS crash test you referenced (see and ). I do agree with your basic point, heavy vehicle are not necessarily safer than lighter vehicles. However in a collision between a 2001 F150 and a 2001 Civic, I'd rather be in the F150. Fixed barrier crashes tend to favor lighter vehciles since they have less kinetic energy to dissipate. In vehicle on vehicle crashes, the lighter vehicle usually comes out the worse.

Ed

- That settles it....I'm trading in my Lexus and buying a Hyundai

Actually, the frontal crash ratings of the NHTSA are biased in favor of smaller vehicles. Here it is directly from the NHTSA itself:

"Since the frontal crash test reflects a crash between two similar vehicles, only vehicles from the same weight class, plus or minus 250 lbs., can be compared when looking at frontal crash ratings."

In other words, the organization that put out these ratings are telling you not to compare the ratings of any two of these: Sonata, BMW, Yukon.

If you want to see a safety rating where an honest attempt is made to integrate in the weight as a factor, go to this site:

(BTW, when a particular NHTSA or IIHS rating is not available the site uses the general average rating. This can bias the comparison of the site's rating score, particularly when important ratings are misssing.)

And, of course, since NHTSA integrated overall rating is based in part on the frontal crash rating, it is also biased in favor of smaller cars.

BMW=92s 5 Series and Hyundai Sonata were the only new for 2011 models to

You're in luck! I've got a Hyundai for sale. I'll even take that Lexus off your hand. Please get rid of that deathtrap!

You are welcome to your Jap crap. Some of us here in the U.S. have not forgotten how Japan sucker-punched us in Pearl Harbor and what their conduct was like during the war. (In some ways they were even more vicious than the damned Krauts.)

So which country / race / religion has completely clean hands? Before you condem the Japanese of today for the things done nearly 70 years ago, you might consider how Native Americans, Africans imported as slaves, Phillipinos, etc., etc., feel about the actions of the decendents of white immigrants to North America.

Ed

Roger Blake wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news.eternal-september.org:

Yes, and then Mc Arthur created the new Japan after the surrender. A US citizen.

And I seriously doubt you were alive during Vietnam or even the *first* gulf war, much less WWII.

"C. E. White" wrote in news:i8kcmp$us3$ snipped-for-privacy@news.eternal-september.org:

Modern Japan - as I'm sure you know - was the last great act of McArthur before he went off the deep end and has nothing to do with the feudal society which proceeded it.

Pearl Harbour was far more a case of a bad case of ignoring readily available intelligence than any great strategic move by the Japanese. No one could call it the later - it was a strike of pure desperation.

- "Jap crap" heh, heh.... I'll remember that when I pass your sorry ass, all broken down, on the side of the road with your Government Motors work of art. :)

You can probably pass my 1941 Chrysler, as it only has a six and 24K original miles. It will outlast you I expect. You probably can't pass my

1991 Chrysler New Yorker 5th Avenue, with only 80K miles. Both of them are in excellent original shape and are well built.

I believe Hyundai is Korean, not Japanese.

The Jap crap Mr. Blake is referring to is the Lexus. The Hyundai would be more properly be called Gook crap. However, the reality is that my Hyundai is made in Alabama by rednecks and colored folks. My other car is a Jap crap Toyota Camary which is pretty good but not so much when compared to my Gook crap Hyundai. Personally, I wish I could afford a Kraut crap BMW or a Lexus.

When you come out of your cave and see what has happened in the last 30 years, you might notice that there is almost no difference in design, content and quality between U.S. and japanese cars. I'd worry more about the percentage of chinese crap the car is made out of than the home address on the company's stock report.

UMM IF YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY WHICH I DONT BELIEVE YOU DO ? THE JAPANESE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR WAS INSTIGATED BY ROOSEVELT BY CUTTING OFF THE JAP OIL SUPPLY IN THE FAR EAST.

It is now known that Roosevelt and the US military in the continental US KNEW that the Jap attack was about to happen , BUT , they did not warn the Pearl Harbor military .

THE REASON HE DID THIS ??

AMERICANS AT THE TIME WERE LOATH TO ENTER INTO WW 11 AND HE NEEDED A REASON TO GET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO AGREE TO JOIN ENGLAND IN ww 11 ; AND IT WORKED~! CHECK THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS FOR MORE INFORMATION.

Roosevelt also said , and I quote from memory here "That nothing in politics just happens it is ALWAYS planned"

Ed

conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories. however, big picture, you have to wonder at the logic of being attacked by imperial japan, then declaring war on nazi germany.