Re: One reason not to buy a future Toyota

In news: snipped-for-privacy@news.supernews.com, Dan J. S. being of bellicose mind posted:

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This reply is aimed at ANY and ALL Toyota public relations persons who monitor this forum:

The kind of electronic black box crap detailed in the article above WILL ... I promise you Mr. TOYOTA... cost you customers like me. And rest assured I won't be alone when the discussion spreads.

I'm warning you now ... TOYOTA ... rein in your gang of young techno twits on this kind of invasion of my privacy.

I do not give a rat's ass about other manufacturers who already have such tattletale crap planned for their cars ... you had better not follow them if you want me as a customer.

As you know, the sludge matter got started on the Internet. A wholesale revolt against your spyware as outlined in the link above will cause you far greater grief ... via the Internet.

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Do you think for one minute Philip that Toyota is afraid of you. My gosh your ego is even greater than I thought. You really need a dose of reality. It is sad that someone with as much knowledge as you have has never been able to harness it to any purpose other than to feed the giant "I". You need a tone down with the attitude son.

Mike

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Artfulcodger

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scott in Florida

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Scott in Florida

Dear Mike. Unless you're about 90 years old, you can't refer to me as "son."

I do know of Toyota's sensitivities to marketing trial balloons. Better nip this thing in the bud now.

As for you ... get a spine!

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Philip®

I don't really think Toyota would install something like the article discribes unless there were vast quantities of monies from governments to pay for the "system" . Otherwise what is there to gain. This is just a food for the politicans article, sort of a to get them thinking and familarize them with the correcto buzz words like "telematics", good gravey. So don't have a kiniption fit over it, we'll all be pushing dasys up on boot hill by the time this is employed if ever.

Dale

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In news: snipped-for-privacy@apollo-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com, snipped-for-privacy@nsp.com being of bellicose mind posted:

You don't think Toyota would do that ... but I do. There is ALREADY recording sofware in the engine ECU and Body ECU to record all forensicly relevant data surrounding air bag deployment in many cars. That one got by because you didn't think the manufacturers would do it. Hmmm!

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Well maybe, but I still say it's a long way off. By that time we'll all be riding in maglevitated mass transits and only the rich will be able to afford personal maglevitated vehicles. Of course there will be no such thing as roads anymore, the Democrates will turn all that land into public housing.

Dale

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<dalea

Wow, a conservative concerned about invasion of privacy, That's a good one. Mr Rumsfeld are you listening!

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TomH

You would be surprised at the measures manufacturers will go to to protect themselves from liability claims. Think what would have happened if Ford had this technology in their Explorers and could have proved that the drivers were operating their vehicles in an unsafe/illegal way. Do not take this wrong - I oppose the intrusion - but don't think it won't happen without government intervention.

Jack

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Jack G

I think this came from our friends 'down under'.

The same people that got rid of guns...

...anyone wonder why it is a BAD idea to have an unarmed citizenry?

Scott in Florida

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Scott in Florida

The great part about that is that I will have assumed room temperature before that happens...

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Scott in Florida

Toyota, or any other Japanese corporation for that matter, need not worry about litigation by the shark US lawyers. One can not sue a Japanese corporation in the US, only in Japan where the tort laws are very different. Only the American based 'Holding Companies' of a Japanese corporations can be sued in the US. Generally they do not have deep pockets. Most, because of the US and state taxpayer subsidies and 50 year bond issues used to build and finance their assembly plant, OWE more than their net worth in the US. If there were a hugh judgment they could simply walk away from their indebted assembly plants and let the state with the tab.

mike hunt

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In news: snipped-for-privacy@apollo-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com, snipped-for-privacy@nsp.com being of bellicose mind posted:

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Oh bull cucky, Dale.

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In news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com, Scott in Florida > > > > >

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I heard your plans were to be broiled before ever assuming room temperature. LOL

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In news: snipped-for-privacy@corp.supernews.com, TomH being of bellicose mind posted:

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Not only is Toyota's tattletale an invasion of privacy, the device assists Uncle Sam in collecting more revenue.

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Philip, As far as I know, Toyota is developing many systems that are likely to be used by something in the future. I have seen some "dicover" type footage of cars with distance sensors on them to keep the car from rearending another one. and concepts that take THAT item to even greater lengths. developed by Toyota. I am not holding my breath for things like this to happen as long as freedom is still granted in this country, as the marketplace will rid the roads of things like this. However, I feel like I should let you in on a secret............. GM and Ford have , in their cars already, information gathering systems that help identify *how* damage is done to engines and other components in cars that are under current warranties. The information is very detailed and If I am not mistaken, not admissable as a reason to deny coverage just yet. It is Much easier to identify why engines are damaged , using data that is collected, and remedy the issue that may have caused the damage, down to the tiniest part sometimes even though that part might not have been noticed as the culprit in prior situations. The information that is gathered could also incrimnate someone if it were admissable as a way to identify criminal activity, such as speeding excessively, and racing, which in my state is now considered a felony........if *caught* racing. Funny thing is, Almost all manufacturers are already using some sort of info gathering systems, so it would be quite easily adapted to the telematics discussed in the article you posted. The thing that I think is most seriously scaring you , is the fact that somehow, government will use YOU against YOU if it becomes legal to do so. If that were the case, it could be argued that what they gathered should be protected by the fifth amendment. Just like any other form of self incrimination situation. " I plead the fifth , Your Honor." A discussion should be welcomed on any subject that can be considered as important as you have made this one seem. Just calm down a bit,........take your muscle relaxers and lay down a while. It'll be alright man. Amercas makret place will eventually prevail in privacy issues..................for the most part.

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In news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com, MUADIB® being of bellicose mind posted:

What you consider a "secret" I have already alluded to earlier. You're "secret" is public knowledge as far back as the mid 1990's. LOL

Apparently you weren't present when I've mentioned I'm a retired trucker. Previous to that, a car, light truck, and whatever else paid the bills mechanic.

The company I retired from had Qualcom recorder/communications computers in all the trucks. The ongoing record of vehicle speed, engine rpm, brakes applied or not, vehicle location by satellite, time/distance the truck had been in motion since last full stop, and time/odometer the truck was stopped for more than 10 minutes ... and more ... were data available from the "tattletail." The 30th day back rolled off each midnight. I know what a safety forensics specialist can do interpretively to hang or exonerate the driver. Never happened to me, fortunately. To have that info available for any revenue generating purose of law enforcement is worth fighting ... fighting hard against.

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Philip®

Well if I assume room temperature while out kayakin in the summer here in Florida...that is a real possibility... LOL

Scott in Florida

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Scott in Florida

In news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com, Scott in Florida being of

Bet a 'gator gets ya before the coroner. LOL

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Philip®

You think he's the only one who feels this way? I'd sooner drive an old junker than pay good money for a machine that spies on me.

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