Toyota Camry, Lexus ES, IS to get floor pan/pedal changes.

Posted: Nov. 26, 2009 Toyota has a lot riding on fixes for recalled vehicles Changes won't be cheap, but they may protect firm's image

BY GREG GARDNER FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER

Toyota Motor Corp.'s willingness to go beyond replacing floor mats will raise the cost of its largest-ever recall, but it may contain any damage in the marketplace, industry experts said Wednesday.

Beginning in January, dealers will cut nearly an inch off the lower edge of the gas pedal and adjust the width, a company spokesman said. Replacement pedals are to be available starting in April.

That may not cost much in the short term. But on some of the vehicles being recalled -- 2005 through 2010 model-year Toyota Avalons and 2007 through 2010 Camrys and Lexus ES350s -- the automaker will reconfigure the floor surface beneath the pedal to create more space between the pedal and the floor. Those three models, along with the Lexus IS250 and IS350, also are to be outfitted with a new brake override system.

Those fixes will add up, but Toyota did not reveal a cost.

"If you have to dig into the vehicle like in the powertrain or under the dash, the cost is high, even if the part cost is low," said David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has found that on most recalls, only 72% of affected owners bring their vehicles in for prescribed repairs. That means Toyota dealers can expect to see 2.7 million of the 3.8 million vehicles recalled. That's more than Toyota's total U.S. sales in the prerecession year of 2007.

"It's going to be a lengthy process," said Aaron Bragman, an analyst with IHS Global Insight in Troy. "But they have to do something." A serious problem

At least a dozen fatalities have occurred when Toyota or Lexus vehicles have surged unexpectedly and drivers supposedly could not stop them by stomping hard on the brake.

Last month, the family of a 77-year-old Flint woman, Guadalupe Alberto, sued Toyota in Genesee County Circuit Court. Alberto died in April 2008 after her 2005 Camry is said to have accelerated from 25 to

80 m.p.h. and hit two trees. She died from the impact.

Lawyers charged that Alberto lost control because of a malfunctioning electronic throttle control. Toyota's solutions

Toyota initially advised owners to remove driver's-side floor mats, which it said caused the acceleration when they became trapped between drivers' feet and the gas pedal.

Cutting the gas pedal is meant to reduce the risk that the floor mat will become pinched, but Toyota plans more sophisticated repairs to recalled Camrys, Avalons and Lexus ES350s, IS350s and IS250s. It will install a brake override system meant to ensure that the engine will lose power if the brake and the accelerator are applied simultaneously.

That upgrade will become standard on all Toyota and Lexus models by the end of next year, the company said. Uncertain outcome

It's unclear whether these steps will contain or reduce Toyota's legal exposure from lawsuits already filed.

"It helps in that it looks like they're trying to do something," said Carl Tobias, a University of Richmond law professor specializing in product liability law. "In the end, it comes down to: When did the company know about the issue and did it take action voluntarily?"

As for the impact on sales, it's too early to know. "Baby boomers will be forgiving, but if it has any impact, it may be among Generation Y buyers who haven't yet formed any brand loyalty," Bragman, of Global Insight, said.

Contact GREG GARDNER: 313-222-8762 or snipped-for-privacy@freepress.com

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john
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See? Toyota has already made plans to rectify the situation. You can expect them to move forward instead of regressing, too. Look for more great cars from Toyota.

Reply to
Hachiroku

They are not cutting the pedal, they are replacing them. That only requires removing the pin at the pivot point. The real slowdown will be the five month delay time until they start to get millions of them from Japan.

Reply to
Mike Hunter

They are cutting them while they're waiting to get replacement pedals in April.

Reply to
Elmo P. Shagnasty

Do you just search for negative ads on Toyota? Jealous that you can't afford to purchase a Toyota or Lexus vehicle? Better stick with riding public transportation. Some day you might be able to purchase a used car.

Dream big.

Reply to
Cleo Baines Hafsteder

I have an '86 Camry I can sell him...

Nah...

Reply to
Hachiroku

He needs a Ford Pinto with the "exploding gas tank" !!!

Reply to
Cleo Baines Hafsteder

Perhaps if Toyota got them from a US manufacturer they could have them in five weeks rather than five months? ;)

Reply to
Mike Hunter

I owned six Lexus LS V8s, never again. Since I have switched to a domestic brand for my luxury vehicle, I have saved thousands in the purchase price and hundred in maintenance costs LOL

Reply to
Mike Hunter

I have owned a Ford Pinto for thirty nine years. It has just over 300,000 miles on the odometer, still looks and runs great, it has yet to blow up. LOL

Reply to
Mike Hunter

Well, let's see. You plainly don't know anything about TCO--because all you can focus on is "how much does it cost to buy from the salesman".

And your story about "I owned six of them, never again" reminds me of a story I heard about a group of people sitting around, drinking, and ending up all going to the hospital because they drank a bottle of red liquid lye. You'd think that after the *first* guy drank some....but no, they were stupid--just like you were.

And are.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty

john wrote in news:f93f71d4-e0a0-4bf9-abf4- snipped-for-privacy@z35g2000prh.googlegroups.com:

ct GREG GARDNER: 313-222-8762 or snipped-for-privacy@freepress.com

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The bloody gas pedal is in upside down. Simply bad engineering.

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fred

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@nothing.attdns.com:

One wonders how old he is: 39 years for his Pinto (which goes back

*before* Lexus existed) and 6 Lexus before that.

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Don't feed the troll.

Reply to
fred

What choice did Toyota have? Even if the Toyota engineers are sure it is just a floor mat problem, a lot of the fear mongers in the world are promoting radical (and illogical) causes for the problem. I am sure Toyota exec see now this sort of thing came spin out of control and blow up to include whole product lines (i.e., a crappy batch of Firestone tires or a bad batch of crusie control switches). Doing everything possible to correct the real problems may keep things under control. By physically altering the accelerator pedals, Toyota is sending a clear message that the problem is related to the pedal shape, pedal placement, and floor mats. In a rational world, this should be enough to dampen down all the hype. Unfortunately for Toyota, the world is not always rational.

In the past Toyota routinely swept problems under the rug. But now that they are the number one car brand in the US, they are the target of every crazy conspiracy theorist and trial lawyer attack group in the US. Who is going to waste their time making up stuff about Chrysler products, when Toyota presents such a huge target?

Ed

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C. E. White

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