Tundra owners grumble over rumble

That may be your personal opinion, but the facts prove otherwise.

How often have we heard in this NG somebody saying I will not buy another brand "X" or "Y" because of the ONE they owned that was problematic?

The Camry is the number one selling midsize car for a reason, buyers believe it is the best car for their hard earned money.

The F150 is the best selling truck, as well as the best selling vehicle in the US, for the same reason. The F Series truck sells at a rate nearly twice that of the Camry.

Buyers do not continue to buy any vehicle if one they buy is problematic. Truck buys have been buying the Ford F150 over and over and over again for thirty years. The second best selling truck has been the Silverado. Combined, in a few weeks, those two trucks sell at TWICE the annual selling rate of the Tundra.

THAT should tell you what trucks, actual truck buyer think are the best trucks for their money and the truck they continually prefer to buy. Whether you happen to agree of not is immaterial ;)

mike

kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not OT for a change but still a goofy post from one of our lefty kook friends. LOL

mike

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The fact remains Toyota had the most RECALLS. ;)

mike

Tundra recalls are OT? We know you Toyota loyalists think Toyota don't brake down but now you want to deny the recalls Toyota announces? LOL

mike

kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The subject switched to your disability, which you are not aware of. That IS the disability. The patient has no idea.

We though you were going to tell us it was the Bush administrations fault that the Tundra had a recall.

Go drag your knuckles with diaper boy roy.

That is not true either. I provided you with a complete list 2007 Toyota recalls. Strictly speaking "Toyota" only has three recall campaigns in

2007:

Sept 26 - NHTSA # 07E082000 - 2007 and 2008 Camry and Lexus ES350 Floor Mats (an equipment recall, not a vehicle recall) - approximately 55,000 vehicles affected

Jan 19 - NHTSA # 07V013000 - 2004 to 2007 Sequoias and 2004 to 2006 Tundras - lower ball joint recall - 533,124 vehicles affected

Jul 24 - NHTSA # 07V324000 - 2007 Tacoma 4WD Pickup - propeller shaft - 108 vehicles affected

There are three more recalls for aftermarket components installed in Toyotas (in some cases installed by Toyota dealers or distributors):

Jan 16 - NHTSA # 07E005000 - Scion XA and XB - aftermarket cruise control (not installed by Toyota) - 2934 vehicles affected

Jan 25 - NHTSA # 07V030000 - Scion XA and XB - Gulf States installed cruise control - 1372 vehicles affected

Jan 16 - NHTSA # 07V048000 - Scion XA and XB - Southeast Toyota installed cruise control - 716 vehicles

As far as I can detemrine that is the complete list of 2007 "Toyota/Lexus/Scion" US Recalls. In the last five months of 2007 (May to September) DiamlerChrysler (now Chrysler) has had 13 recalls:

May 2007 - 07V-192 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 270,958 MY 2005 Town and Country and Dodge Caravan minivans

May 2007 - 07V-196 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 410 MY 2007 Dodge Caliber, Jeep Compass and Patriot passenger vehicles

June 2007 - 07V-240 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 798 MY 2007-2008 Sebring and MY 2008 Dodge Avenger vehicles.

June 2007 - 07V-246 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 39 MY 2007 Dodge and Freightliner Sprinter 2500 and 3500 trucks.

June 2007 - 07V-247 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 5,062 MY 2007 Dodge Ram

1500 pickup trucks

July 2007 - 07V-291 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 80,894 MY 2007 Jeep Wrangler and Dodge Nitro vehicles.

July 2007 - 07V-299 - DaimlerChrysler Manufacturing is recalling 4,433 MY

2001-2006 Dodge Sprinter and Freightliner Sprinter 2500 and 3500 trucks

July 2007 - 07V-325 - DaimlerChrysler Manufacturing is recalling 461 MY 2007 Dodge and Freightliner Sprinter 2500 and 3500 trucks.

September 2007 - 07V-413 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 1,498 MY 2007

2-wheel drive Dodge Ram pickup trucks

September 2007 - 07V-414 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 72,333 MY 2007-2008 Avenger sedan and Chrysler Sebring convertible vehicles.

Septemeber 2007 - 07V-415 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 28,755 MY 2007-2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee and Commander sport utility vehicles

September 2007 - 07V-426 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 1,158 MY 2008 Dodge Avenger all wheel drive vehicles.

Septemeber 2007 - 07V-434 - DaimlerChrysler is recalling 296,550 MY 2007 Dodge Nitro, Jeep Wrangler, and MY 2006-2007 Grand Cherokee and Commander sport utility vehicles.

Ford, GM, Nissan, VW, Volvo, and Suzuki have all had more individual recall campaigns than Toyota so far in 2007. So to be clear - Toyota has not recalled the most vehicles in 2007 and Toyota has not had the most recalls in 2007.

Mike you need to stop making stuff up. It hurts your credibility when you actaully are stating true facts.

Ed

Spin it any way you wish but total RECALLS does not refer to only the current model year. The fact remains Toyota had the most RECALLS in 2006 and is currently highest in 2007.

mike

Probably because they introduced more all-new designs around that time than other manufacturers did. Recalls are related more to new designs than overall quality, as Chrysler and AMC showed in the 1970s, when they sometimes had the lowest recall rates in the industry, along with the oldest designs. Contrary to what Toyota claims publicly, the quality and efficiency of their North American factories are not as good as their Japanese factories', and the designs never produced in Japan have fared worse than the other Toyotas.

Yeah well for longevity and overall quality a Toy beats the "Big Three" by light years.

And most idjits don't keep an F-150 long enough for any real problems to show up. Check the resale value on an F-150. It dives like a submarine as it rolls off the lot.

: > : The Tundra is a far better truck than anything Toyota sold before but it : > : seems they still have a way to go to come close to Ford, GM and Dodge : > : full-size trucks in build quality : >

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: > You HAVE to be : >

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: > Any reliable mechanic will tell you that G(enerally) M(ediocre), Fraud & : > Drudge are the > WORST brands for reliability. Plus look at : > their resale value. You can see it falling as they are driven off the : > lot! : >

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Care to share any proof for this sweeping statement?

Ed

I kept my last F150 for 14 years. Sold it in less than a week for my asking price. I think the total I spent on repairs over the period was under $500.

Ed

I had a Ford also, but my repairs were substantially higher. But then I drove mine. I have had a Chevy also. Good truck for those days, and one of the toughest around. It was a '63 with a 283. But as my experience widens and I learn, I have leaned toward the Toyota because of three things. Durability, dependability, and operational costs. Look at the classifieds and see what everyone is trying to sell. Ford is in fact Number One in that category also. Long live my 93 Toy. :-)

$500 repairs over a 14 year period is very unusual for any vehicle. Why did you sell it?

The truck was 14 years old and had 2WD. At first I let my teenage son have it, but it was obvious it was not going to last with him driving it. Iwanted something newer with 4WD for my farm. The F150 was great on pavement or dry ground, but you could get it stuck on wet dirt. My Father had a 4WD Ranger that I borrowed to chcek fences, etc, on wet days but I decided I wanted a

4WD of my own. I got a Nissan Frontier, but at times I still miss the old F150 - particualrly when I ride a long way. The seats in the Frontier look great, but they aren't comfortable for more than an hour.

Ed

I had a Honda (car) for 26 years and I was waiting until it died before I bought a truck. Now I have a 2WD and I'd expect it will last longer than its 4WD counterparts. Seems like 90% of the trucks around here are 4WD which I have no need since I mostly haul wood and furniture. Most teens are hard on vehicles (when you are not looking), especially when they get one free.

When I was young (think 500's and 60's) my Father only had 2WD trucks. He used to have to haul feed to his hogs and hogs to market in the truck, even in very nasty weather. I canremeber him coming out of the field with a loaded truck leaving three tracks - two for the tires and a third where the differential pumpkin was dragging in the mud. He almost never got stuck. These days you can stick most two wheel drive trucks on wet grass. My Father claimes the problem is the tires. In the old days he always had narrow Farm Burea bias ply mud tires on the rear. On the highway the tires made so much racket you could hear the truck coming a mile away. Most modern trucks come with wide all season radial tires. Out in my pasture, they will just sit on top of the ground and spin. They don't cut down into the ground, they just float on top. I suppose a two wheel drive truck with agressive mud tires would do better, but then they are so noisy I wouldn't want to drive the truck on the highway. I actually drive many more miles on the highway than on mud, so having quiet, smooth riding tires is imprortant. With 4WD, these sorts of tires can still handle the mud I have to deal with. I think the 4WD costs me maybe 1 mpg. My Father's 9 year old Ranger has never had any problems associated with the 4wd system. I don't expect to have any with the Frontier.

Oh yeah and I have the repair bills to prove it.

Ed