"hypothetical" question

Suppose you have an air-cooled VW engine with transmission attached to it and the half-shafts are in place and the wheels are attached and no fluids have been drained... Now you have this combination sitting on the floor of your garage but it's taking up a little more room than you'd like it to. Also suppose that there is a good attachment point on both ends of the engine/tranny and you have a hoist set up so that you could easily raise either end up, effectively making the arrangement vertical, either with the engine on top or the transmission on top. Also assume a sand-seal pulley is installed on the engine. Would you be able to raise it up either way without making a mess? I mean would you be able to raise the "engine end" up with the transmission hanging beneath it or vice-versa without dumping oil or transmission fluid all over the place? Maybe not a 90 degree angle, but say a 60-70 degree angle? Thanks!

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Shag
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Shag,

I believe that if you put it engine down you will get oil through the carb one way or the other and out the crank vent and maybe even into the dist.. probably into the valve covers as well.

In the tranny on top you might get fluid into the bellhousing and out the axle housings into the breaks maybe? If the seals aren't perfect. Isn't there a vent hole on a transaxkle too somewhere?

All of this is just a guess though, I have never don e this.

Mike West

66chopped bug custom
Reply to
Mike West

sure you *can* but you must be a bit concerned with the engine oil weeping past the piston rings and getting into the combustion chamber....it can cause problems....there is also a vent on the tranny to worry about...

Reply to
Joey Tribiani

Separate engine/tranny, place engine with flywheel against wall, and tranny up against wall with input shaft(clutch side)facing floor. No oil spills this way, if oil seal on ingoing axle is ok.

Sounds like you bought your old bug back?

J.

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P.J. Berg

I wonder what the maximum degree of inclination would be before that would be a problem. I wonder if that "maximum safe degree" would vary depending on which end was being raised. Hmmm....

Could probably add an extended tube of some sort to that so the tranny could still vent but wouldn't leak when at an extreme angle. Hmmm...

Reply to
Shag

OK, suppose the engine/tranny is actually mounted in a frame. heh heh... And suppose you want to keep it all connected so that you could quickly lower it and drive it away? :-)

No. I just "have a plan." :-)

Reply to
Shag

Your building a small trike, and want to store it up against the wall. :o)

J.

Reply to
P.J. Berg

chainfall and two straps...pull it to ceiling.. this ain't a snapper you are messing with, can't stand it on end in a corner....

Reply to
Joey Tribiani

I thought about something like that, but figure that would be a royal pain in the arse as far as convenience goes. I may wind up just parking my motorcycle under the deck in the back yard and that would free up enough space in the garage for what I need. Hopefully I'll be figuring this all out soon. :-)

Reply to
Shag

clean out over the cieling joists you packrat, and make the lift like a boat lift...will be able to pull it to the cieling and still put a honda under it....

Reply to
Joey Tribiani

Hmmm... Maybe I could build a set of ramps that lead up onto a couple of 2X12s that are elevated about 5 feet up... And could just drive/winch up onto that... and have lots of room underneath for a motorcycle... :-) Nah... Too much trouble to go through when I could just park the bike under the deck.

Reply to
Shag

OOH! Or... I could just hoist the bike up to the ceiling... And have plenty of room left over then... Seriously... Hmmm... It's only 500 lbs or so... Hell, I might just hoist the bike up to the ceiling for fun, just cuz it would look cool. WOOT! :-D

Reply to
Shag

There is a motorcycle storage lift available for that, drive onto the narrow ramp, jack it up and turn the whole thing 90 deg against the back wall. This solution is real neat!

J.

Reply to
P.J. Berg

I was thinking more along the lines of a strap around the handlebars and one around the back of the frame tied together in a big redneck knot with a Harbor-Freight special hoist to pull it up to the ceiling. :-) I already have a the hoist and I could untie a few extra straps from the legs of the bed to use... Hmm... This just might work. :-D

Reply to
Shag

"Oh it's probably nothing. I just felt a great disturbance in the Force. As if a million Murphies cried out in horror and there were suddenly silenced."

Reply to
Michael Cecil

How soon we forget our friends. John Henry had a simple solution to storing more that he had room for. Remember this:

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Neil

Reply to
Neil

That's like the Winchester Mystery House. Always just add on a room when you want it. Never mind aesthetics. Of course you could forego the careful planning and just use lots of rope and duct tape.

Reply to
Michael Cecil

How about you drain the oil ? 10 minute job ! Measure how much comes out and its 5 mins to put it back !

Rich

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Reply to
tricky

.................After reading this entire thread, you're the only one who came up with the most obvious and practical solution! He could drain the engine and tranny in about 15 min.. but I wouldn't put it back in later.

Reply to
Tim Rogers

Some of teh "sealing" of teh sadn seal and crank end seal come from teh rotation of the crank. The seal lip has little ridges that act as "slingers", forcing oil to be thrown back in if it gets to them. You lose this effect if the crank isn't turning. They may leak. The sand seals are usually a poor fit&seal too. Drain the oil from both teh engine and the tranny before doing this.

It's on the center "sandwich" part, between nose cone and case. On top.

Jan

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Jan

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