new vw bug problems

............At RAMVA, we're talking about cars that are nearly thirty years old and UP!

.......New beetle complaints at RAMVW are in regard to late model POS's that are often still under warranty!

.................When a sixties era car with a lot of miles uses only a quart of oil between 3000 mile oil changes.........not too bad.

...........When a BRAND NEW car does the same thing.............sheesh!

What I find interesting is that while VW assembles the cars, it isn't the individual supplier of the parts that gets blamed. My MAF sensor went, so it's VWs fault, when Bosch screwed up.

People just have their knickers in a knot. Who f***ing cares...it's a car. I like my VWs, and intend to keep driving them for years to come. I know my next car will be a VW, as will the car after that, and the one after that.

BTW............my wife's '96 accord has no rust anywhere(here in the rust belt) and doesn't use any oil between 5000 mile oil changes after about

100,000 miles. The only complaints that I have is that I had to replace the freaking timing belt after 90k mi. and the front rotors are warped.

.............So it's your 'theory' that VW's initial quality ratings with JD Power are 10 points below the industry's average because of Bosch?

....................heh heh...........that's what I call 'thinking outside of the box'.

.......whew!

By the same token Accord + Problem brings up 20,000 hits at rec.autos.makers.honda Searching for a couple words in a newsgroup and drawing such broad conclusions is silly at best. I think that Honda probably does build a better car than VW, however based on my own personal experiences I do not think it is as such a difference as you try to portray.

On a unrelated note I just saw a study in the newspaper this past week that showed that Chevrolet owners are the most loyal to a specific brand. Honda was toward the top as well and I believe that VW was about in the middle. At first glance it would appear that the brands with the lowest loyalty must have huge problems. But the article went on to say that often times the loyalty would not be as great if the carmaker had a small line-up. As an example a Cavalier owner who wants to trade up to a Van can do so within the Chevrolet line-up. Such a thing is not possible in the VW hierarchy and they would be more likely to switch.

.............I noticed last year that they tried to blame their coil pack recall on a 'supplier'. Who is it that picks these bad parts suppliers and forces VW to buy from them? Why isn't there an effective quality control process to screen these suppliers?

.........Those sneaky Japanese must be behind this somehow.............lol

............Actually, I think that there are some problems with Hondas. They're good cars but the more I hear and read, the more inclined I am to get a Toyota or maybe even a Chevy or Ford for the wife when this Accord gets up past 150k mi. The difference between the better makes isn't very significant, in my opinion. I think that GM & Ford have made some tremendous improvements in overall quality in recent years. Daimler-Chrysler and VW have been losing ground however. It's no secret, the surveys & ratings are only part of the story. People are beginning to catch on and they're both losing marketshare.

.................Very true

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:48:32 GMT, "Pete Cressman" scribbled this interesting note:

I usually leave these things alone, but you are wrong on this one Pete.

It is exactly VWs fault that the sensor went out. Why? Because *all* car manufacturers are demanding of their parts suppliers that they charge the manufacturer less. How can they charge the automobile manufacturer less for a part that is supposed to do the exact same job? You do the math...

-- John Willis (Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:54:36 -0500, "Tim Rogers" scribbled this interesting note:

Common issues, Tim. Replace the rotors with some that you'll get from NAPA. Don't turn the rotors since you'll only have to do it again in a year. Once they warp, they'll warp again and again and again.

-- John Willis (Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)

.............Good advice John. Sadly, the NAPAs here where I live switched over to Carquest last year. Is Carquest any good?

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 16:29:39 -0500, "Tim Rogers" scribbled this interesting note:

In my experience, the answer is a qualified "yes." See, I had an issue with the closest Carquest auto parts store. They got some new counter help in (now don't get me wrong, I'm not lookin' to start a new flame war, but somehow I think the fact that she was lazy made the difference!:~) When I wanted a set of plugs for the '72 GMC with a 402 engine (often called a 400) and she couldn't find it in the computer, she actually told me they don't have them!

Now, back to the earlier point about the counter help...

At our local NAPA it has almost gotten to the point that I'll just leave if my favorite counter help isn't present. She can find parts no one else in the building can find. Why is that? Because she wants to learn more and she refuses to give up. She found for us a part that would get the job done when a clutch linkage part broke on our 1965 F700 Dump Truck. No one else in the building could get it done.

See an earlier thread about the quality of steel. It seems to me that products not made from recycled steel stand a much greater chance of being better products. What are the asian sources of steel famous for? Buying scrap here in the US and selling back to us the recycled product. Something made here in the US probably stands a greater chance of being made from a higher grade material with fewer impurities.

Just my opinion.

-- John Willis (Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)

..............They still have the same counter people at the Carquest here that used to be NAPA............a good sign maybe?

......................Even though this Accord came from Ohio, I doubt that a Japanese rotor would be a bad choice. It seems to me like the lousiest aftermarket parts are coming from China and Brazil these days. I'd certainly buy an American or Canadian made rotor if it was available.........but that's a big 'if' these days.

Tim, You Should Look up on Google , The Toyota using the word SLUDGE......................Unbelievable what's been said about Camrys.......................But I love the one I have, and I bought it *used* with 89K miles on it. Plan on buying another when this one gives up too.

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check out your Honda dealer...sometimes they are cheaper than the average NAPA or Car Quest...I priced rotors for my Jetta, and they were $35 from VW and $52 from NAPA....bearing in mind that they are vented rotors...the solid type used on my year of Jetta was cheaper at Napa, but the point still remains...sometimes the dealers can surprise...

- Pete