No Oil Filter???

do you have a "sand seal" on the pulley end of the crankshaft?....if not, even with a "real" filter, *I*(personally) would not stretch the oil change intervals toomuch if any at all....the crankcase is still open and ventilated by outside "dirty" air.....

------------------- Chris Perdue "I'm ever so thankful for the Internet; it has allowed me to keep a finger in the pie and to make some small contribution to those younger who will carry the air-cooled legend forward" Jim Mais Feb. 2004

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Chris Perdue
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No kiddin'. Y'all cheapo VW guys!!! It holds like 3 quarts of oil. JUST CHANGE IT!!! :-P

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Shaggie

Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite, and furthermore always carry a small snake.

- W.C. Fields

Sounds like a great way to make easy $$$ I might have to break into my "'vert top fund" on this one! Lemme see....... Hmmmmmmm.....

I've known John C. for years Vs I don't really know Kafertoys......... John has never bullshit me before....... Vs I don't really know Kafertoys.........

Man, this is a tough one. Got alot of $$$ on this one (Darn tops are not cheap for the 72 SB vert)

Gonna hafta say JOHN C. has my money!

Narley Dude®

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Narley Dude®

*us* cheap?....at least if i had a vehicle that needed five or six quarts i would put more than two init...

------------------- Chris Perdue "I'm ever so thankful for the Internet; it has allowed me to keep a finger in the pie and to make some small contribution to those younger who will carry the air-cooled legend forward" Jim Mais Feb. 2004

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Chris Perdue

Hey! *EVERY*....... *SINGLE*....... *TIME* that I did put oil in that vehicle, I _did_ put in 5 or 6 quarts........ :-)

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Shaggie

calm down shag.....its okay...us "cheap" vw people don't fix every leak either...LOLOLOLOLOLOL

------------------- Chris Perdue "I'm ever so thankful for the Internet; it has allowed me to keep a finger in the pie and to make some small contribution to those younger who will carry the air-cooled legend forward" Jim Mais Feb. 2004

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Chris Perdue

Sand seal on the pulley end of the crankshaft . . . lemme see what I am not seeing: I've pulled the pulley a few times . . .it mounts on a shaft which protrudes from the rear (rear is rear) of the engine. That end of the shaft doesn't seem to be loose or rattling around and I don't recall looking at it and thinking, "My what a big old sloppy opening around this shaft!"

What did I not see?

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Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliot

Why don't you just say let john and I fight then lets see how wins.

Sorry I don't build performance engines and both my daily drivers are aircooled so stock works best for me.

wait lets put it in my favor lets see who can build the best show car.

the simple minds amaze me at times.

Mario Vintage Werks restorations help keeping the joy alive

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Kafertoys

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:02:06 -0800, "Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott" scribbled this interesting note:

Threads around the end of the pulley? Those throw the oil back into the case. A sand seal is a machined in seal that actually seals the space between the pulley and the case.

-- John Willis (Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)

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John Willis

On 10 Nov 2004 02:10:40 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (Kafertoys) scribbled this interesting note:

Me too!:~)

-- John Willis (Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)

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John Willis

Oh and Narly Dude I have never ordered from JCW. But your right I'm sure the oil filter kit from CB Performance is the way to go, think thats who I got the one from for a 1776 engine we put in a 67 21 window came from. I was just stating you can find the same quality always cheaper if you look around. Just a service anouncement

Mario Vintage Werks Restoratins thoes who can fix cars do those who can't sell parts

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Kafertoys

{sarcasm} OK, I never saw that coming. {/sarcasm} Alluding to physical confrontations and coming up with excuses for why someone can't back up what they said. As predicted. The simple mind does _not_ amaze me anymore. As if I needed a reminder for my killfile settings. *chuckle*

We could always just rely on court judgements that have already been made to determine who is full of shit and who isn't... and we soon will thanks to the amazing internet and the web page that is being built now. :-) That shouldn't piss ANYBODY off who is innocent...

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Shaggie

would be even more expensive for a 72 standard vert, if you could find the top....

------------------- Chris Perdue "I'm ever so thankful for the Internet; it has allowed me to keep a finger in the pie and to make some small contribution to those younger who will carry the air-cooled legend forward" Jim Mais Feb. 2004

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Chris Perdue

LOL...on a stock replacement engine, like yours you did not see a seal on the crank end...you should have seen some grooves cut into the pulley "snout" that goes into the case though..those grooves are similar to the threads on a screw....or an auger...as the pulley turns they act as a pump to pump air into the engine case to vent the crankcase(out the tube from the oil filler to the air cleaner)....when the pulley "pumps" air into the case it also pumps in

*any* contaminants in the air...which will end up in your oil....i'm sure you have heard(read) Bob Hoover state that you change the oil in a vw to clean it....this is why....if you need pics i have several engines in various stages of build and teardown....

------------------- Chris Perdue "I'm ever so thankful for the Internet; it has allowed me to keep a finger in the pie and to make some small contribution to those younger who will carry the air-cooled legend forward" Jim Mais Feb. 2004

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Chris Perdue

On 10 Nov 2004 02:21:50 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (Kafertoys) scribbled this interesting note:

There's quality and then there's quality with service after the sale. There's also just a lot of crap out there.

Personally, I'll take the quality with service after the sale. I haven't needed much in the way of acvw parts since our very close (less than a mile away) local VW FLAPS closed due to the death of the owner, but when I do find a need for more parts (and we all know that day is coming for each of us) I know who I'll be ordering from...

As I've stated many times, the key is knowing which pennies to pinch.

-- John Willis (Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)

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John Willis

Mario, I'm not disputing nor discrediting you at all. I'm sure there are other places where you can find the very same thing for less. I've bought high quality items elsewhere with lower prices than aircooled.net. However, there is one thing that I can personally most of us have known John for years and we know that he maintains a high quality standard in regards of parts and service.Items I've bought from aircooled.net I knew with 100% certainty that it was of high quality, not just because of his reputation, but mainly the guy is one of us and the very last thing he would want is for one of RAMVA to claim that we got ripped off. I don't know how this whole feud got started, neither do I care. But I can say in pure honesty: There is always room for another vendor in this group. I just don't care for people stepping on toes of the regulars. (Trust me, there is a certain "period of homage" that is due before you're considered a 'regular. Trust me I've bumped heads in my early days...but with time I've mended things up and HOPEFULLY I can now be considered a regular)

Narley Dude®

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Narley Dude®

Amen John! I really miss the heck out of Knight's. Leroy's death was a very sad ordeal for all that knew him. I've know those guys and have been a loyal customer for many years. Most of the time I would just stop in to BS with Angel, Dave and Leroy. I'll tell ya if you had any question what-so-ever on parts Angel was the man to talk to! I wonder what happened to him? Since the closure of Knight's I've taken my business to V-Dubfolks in Irving. They are very knowledgeable and have always treated me right, yeah you might spend a dollar or 2 more... but it's all about service and it's money well spent. As you know there is one place I would NEVER go back to......that is Piston and Plug. I've been screwed one too many times there.

Narley Dude®

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Narley Dude®

Please tell me that Knight's hasn't closed. I haven't been there in a while but it's nice knowing at least one store has VW parts around here.

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Michael Cecil

Oh ho! I /have/ seen those threads! They are there to blow air into the crankcase?!? Is there no end to the ingenious little wonders lurking on and within these engines? I'll be hornswoggled. I wondered why Bob Hoover described the crankcase of the VW engine as being open to the air! Frequent oil changes would indeed still be needed.

Here I was assuming that the hose from the oil filler tube to the air cleaner was to handle piston ring blow-by . . . never occurred to me that they would purposely try to inflate the case.

But . . . how much air can them winky little grooves pump into the engine? And why are they trying to do that, anyway?

Let's say, then, that a fellow puts on a "sand seal" -- does it also block the air inlet? What happens to the crankcase ventilation? WHAT HAPPENS THEN, MAN?!?

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Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliot

Ideally the crankcase is closed, and the vapors are routed to the air filter, then to the carb, and into the engine for burning in the combustion process. This "suction" is to prevent the crankcase from coming pressurized, which increases the incidence of oil leaks. Having a slight vacuum on the crankcase will pull "in" on any leaky seals, minimizing their leakage. This vacuum also maximizes the pressure differential across the piston rings, which makes them work better.

The stock pulley "threads" are there only to "throw back" oil DROPLETS. The crankcase is open, and it will suck in DIRTY AIR on decelleration or other high vacuum conditions, bringing in contaminants into the crankcase and obviously the oil supply.

A sand seal closes the crankcase, and allows you to EFFECTIVELY create the PCV system that makes the engine (and the EPA) happy.

regardless of whether you have an > >>From: "Mike Rocket J. Squirrel

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John Connolly

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