Tired of mechanics and the run around...

I am venting ... I do most of my own work but occasionally if I am too busy I bring it in for a professional look over and/or major work.

Once we had the valves gapped and timing adjusted and the car was overheating terribly when it came back. I had to readjust the timing myself.

Another time I got it back after having the valves adjusted and the rear wheels almost fell off on the highway. I checked the lug nuts and they were hand tight. A day later my girlfriend calls me because the front wheel is making a bad noise. I tell her to pull over immediately. I drive out to get her. Turns out the front wheels were also hand tight. WTF!

6 months later I have an electrical problem fixed and ask to have the valves adjusted while it's there. When we bring the car in the mechanic sees a sticker from the "other" local VW mechanic and starts going on about how we must be taking the car to this "other" mechanic. When my girlfriend says no, that her boyfriend (me) is the one who does the oil changes and valve adjustments he starts going on about how it's been such a long time since he's worked on the car... (yeah I wonder why, the last visit they left all four wheels loose) but in reality it's only been about 6-8 months.

Anyhow, the gf leaves the car and later in the day the mechanic reports back to my girlfriend the engine is "tired" and needs to be rebuilt. He proceeds to tell her that there is no way on god's green earth that the engine is going to last another 6 months. This is her pride and joy, fully restored beetle, so she gets upset and calls me.

Now this is confusing since the engine is only 5 years old.... I called him up and asked why he said it was tired and his response was that "it's just tired". Um... ok... so I pressed a little more and he told me the heads were loose and that the studs were probably pulling and that it needs a complete rebuild.

Hmmm... ok. Sounds reasonable i guess. I get the feeling something wasn't right as he's telling me he will do a rebuild for $1300...so I say well let me think about it and get back with you...

Later that night my girlfriend tries to drive the car home to find that the headlights dont work. He fixed the ignition problem and messed up the headlights. I drive out to her, look, and find the relay unplugged and laying in the trunk space.

Ok, thinking about it today, I get a little pissed off and decide to have a look for myself. The gaskets are stuck to the valve covers and head (you know, the "click" when you break them free) and have obviously not been removed by the mechanic at any point. I look further and see that the engine has 8mm studs (and thus probably case savers), all torqued perfectly to 18 ft lbs.

At this point I am almost positive this mechanic is trying to screw me. I can only assume he's mad about the sticker from his competitor or maybe the fact that I have been doing the valves and oil changes on my girlfriend's car.

Does anyone else have this problem with mechanics? This is just B.S. Are there any mechanics left that you can trust?

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71-transporter
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Does it smell like burnt oregano in that shop? Why in the world do you still keep going there?

Hope you find a better mechanic soon.

Anton

P.S. Trust, but verify.

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71-transporter kirjoitti:

LOL,

this is pretty much where the industry has come to.. trust no-one.

I do just about all maintenance myself, and if I have to have a shop do something for me, I automatically assume that they did something wrong and double check their work if I can. A pleasant surprise is much nicer than an unpleasant one.

Jan

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Jan

My Baja bug was shuttering bad on take off and the local shop told me the clutch was bad. It was the middle of the monsoon season here in the Pacific Northwet and I didn't feel like digging into it in the rain so I let the shop handle it. Not only did a new clutch not fix it but the next time I adjusted the valves, I found that my Gene Berg swivel foot valve adjusters had been replaced with beat up stock adjusters. A month later the clutch release bearing came loose from the actuator fork and I had to pull the engine in the rain to fix it and I found the bad rear transmission mounts that were the problem in the first place (could have been replaced without dropping the engine. I got double screwed on this one...

I wish I could have proved they stoled my swivel foot valve adjusters so I could have ripped them a new one in court.

Now a days I only take my car out for tire changes and front end alignments. The rest I do myself.

Tony

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Anthony W

Tony,

How do you replace rear transmission mounts w/o pulling the engine out??

ant> My Baja bug was shuttering bad on take off and the local shop told me

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anton

Man that sucks! I am really hesitant to say anything to the mechanic or go back... if he wanted to he could over torque a stud and call it pulled. Just no way to win except do the work myself.

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71-transporter

The root-cause of your difficulties can be found in the two errors of logic in your opening sentence.

-Bob Hoover

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veeduber

just don't go back, unless the car is still in the shop. hm i guess it's the same kind of deal of sending food back in the restaurant. Nobody wants to eat spit and what not.

In my opinion if you even get a bad vibe from the shop don't think twise and never bring business again. I had 2 snaffus like this. One was where shop over tightened a drail plug and striped threads on oil pan. Poor thing was leaking out a good couple of quarts during night :-O second, minor overtightened and striped threads on guard plate. oh yeah and they charged me for the extra work of removing the guard plate. Simple oil change, how hard can it be, right? Freaking Jiffy Lube.

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anton

here in omaha neb. the only place to go for trusted work is bozarths garage on the north side...john

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rreplica

Which two errors in logic?

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71-transporter

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just a guess here, but i am pretty sure one is "a professional look over". David

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David

Very few and more than a few are total morons. All dealers are thieves. Most can't troubleshoot if their life depended on it.

I've given up on them and that's why I do my own work on my cars (Acura, Subaru and Nissan). Perhaps get a third spare car you can use when one needs to be serviced and you don't have the time right then?

Remco

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My guess is that by re-checking ánd doing it yourself afterwards it takes you more time than doing it yourself period. And it will save you some money...

Roger

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bug '59

Most of the vehicles I see could use about $10kor more worth of work if you want to compare them to a few year old car, but most are lucky to get a few hundred.

At one time VW's were concidered easy to work on but that was when they were only a few tears old and you didn't have to fight with every bolt thats rusted in place.

I'm sure the dealership mechanics never had to deal with the same problems that any aircooled repair shop today.

Dealerships deal with customers that are willing to pay thousands for repair work.

I'm sure alot of mechanics are like your average worker looking to get by and collect a check at the end of the week.

Even if your willing to let the mechanic to do what needs to be done bet theres atleast 5 that justs whats it done fast and cheap.

Communicate with you machanic but you both will be happier in the end.

Mario Vintage Werks resto

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Dennis

I do my own work, because it just seems natural....I grew up in a family of bodymen and mechanics.....that coupled with not being able to *afford* someone else to do it when I started out, I did it myself.....these days I can afford to let someone else do it, but honestly, I don't trust anyone else to work on *my* cars.....no one will care about them as much as I do...its not their ass in them....

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Joey Tribiani

'Afford' takes on two meanings !

I couldn't afford for someone to do all my car work - moneywise.

If I had more money - I coulnt afford for some one to do all my car work - and screw it up !

Rich

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tricky

OK Did you ever get the feeling that maybe you *****DON'T TAKE IT BACK**** to the same people that are trying to mess up the VW. Leaving wheel lug bolts hand tight is very poor quality "work"(?) and you/GF should ****FIND SOMEONE ELSE**** that can do things that you don't wish to do. ;-) Are they doing this work for FREE or cheaply? Are they actual mechanics or it is a sideline for them?

What location does this vehicle reside? I am sure that there are more people local that can recommend a good mechanic.

I started working on my VWs when the dealer told me my mom's '69 Beetle needed a new engine, or engine work that would cost $600+ back in the early

70s. Wanted to be in control of both the quality and cost I decided to work on this vehicle myself. After a repair manual and some tools I did my first repair of torque-ing down the lower cyl. head nuts and valve adjustment. Ran sweet and I found my niche in life. lol

later, dave (One out of many daves) AKA vwdoc1

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dave AKA vwdoc1

This is a long time well known shop. We let this stuff go a few times but it's just gotten worse. Some of the other shops in the area are only a little bit better. As far as I can tell, it seems like some mechanics just roll the dice when they are busy or don't like working on a car, and quote a high price for major work, thinking that they will either make that money in which case it's worth it or you'll just leave and save them from having to work on the car.

Either way it's a win for them... and since most people are afraid or have nowhere else to go, they usually just cough up the money and leave the car.

I've heard it with my own ears from the mechanics themselves so I know it's true. In the end it's just business... but it stinks when you can't shop around.

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71-transporter

On the other hand we shouldn't be painting all shops bad with a broad brush stroke. Marks VW Service in Amity, Oregon does good work and they have been straight with me every time I've dealt with them.

Tony

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Anthony W

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