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Howcome the 1998 Saab 9-5 wasn't available in the US?

I'm in the market for a used car and my budget is $12,700 and my dad will also let me trade in a beatup old 1994 Lincoln Town Car with

250,000 miles on it. If the 1998 Saab 9-5 was available in the US, it would probably be the car I'd get. The 1998 Saab 9-5 did EXCELLENT in the European Crash Tests, but I think that the Saab 9-5 was redesigned in 1999 and the 1999-2001 Saab 9-5s only did about average in crash tests. Here are the crash test results for the 1998 European Saab 9-5
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are the crash test results for the 1999-2001 American Saab 9-5.http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/98021.htm

The 2002-2004 Saab 9-5s also do excellent in crash tests but even the cheapest 2002 Saab 9-5 is several thousand dollars out of my budget. Since the 1998 Saab 9-5 is out of the question(which is unfortunate as it did better than the 1999/2000 Volvo S80 in the European Front Offset Crash Test and Saabs are generally more reliable than Volvos too), I'm leaning towards a 2001 Volvo S80.

My mom actually wants me to save my money for a rainy day and for my dad to buy a car for me, but if my dad buys me a car, it will be a much cheaper car, and the best I could hope for is a VERY high milage

1999 Volvo S80. This would be a major downgrade even compared to the 2001 Volvo S80 because in the 2000 model year Volvo improved the car to do better in the front crashes, and in the 2001 model year Volvo put in new multi stage front airbags. In the 1999 Volvo S80, it's not as good as newer versions in front impacts and in the 1999/2000 models the gasses coming out of the front airbag melted the dummy's hands, and volvo fixed this problem in the 2001 Volvo S80. In the 2001 Volvo S80 they also fixed the problem of the airbags deploying in very minor slow speed accidents that was present in the 1999/2000 Volvo S80. Also in the front offset of the 2000 volvo S80, the dummy' head bounced off the front airbag, and then the back of the dummy's head hit the b pillar although nobody really knows if this happens in the 2001-2004 Volvo S80.

The 2001-2004 Volvo S80s with the new multistage front airbags have actually NEVER been tested in the front offset crash test so that's why till now the Saab 9-5 really has to be consider the king of the sub $50,000 large family cars in crash tests.

If my dad buys me a high milage 1999 Volvo S80, I think I'll have to get some driving gloves to protect my hands as the airbags in the

1999/2000 S80 deploy even in very slow speed minor accidents and the front driver airbag vents very hot gasses at the driver's hands.

If on the other hand I buy the 2001 S80 , I won't have to worry about the driving gloves as they fixed that problem in the 2001 and later models.

I really couldn't find any crash tests videos besides the side impact poll test for the S80. Check out the front offset crash test video of this 2002 S60 though. Just like the 2000 S80 which was tested, on the S60 the dummy's head hit the B pillar after bouncing off the airbag. Also check out the extremely hot gasses coming out of the airbags. I think in the case of the 2002 S60 the gasses are vented away from the driver's hands, however in the case of the 1999/2000 Volvo S80 the hot gasses from the airbags are actually vented toward's the driver's hands.

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This website did in the past have a front(not offset) crash test video of the 2001 S80, but that video no longer seems to be working.
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The Diesel
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Nope, same body. They just didn't sell 'em in the US that year. The '99 (and current) 9-5's have the same crash characteristics as the '98.

Crash tests will vary from year to year, as you're seeing. It's not all that exact of a science. Even more impressive than Saab's crash test results are the injury statistics in the real world; it takes into effect not only how the car performs in an arbitrary lab test, but how it does in the real world - including crash _avoidance_ which the superb handling helps with a lot.

Different labs, different testing methodologies.

A good price point to look for is at the 3-year lease tradein. The car will only be 3 years old, you'll know it's been taken care of well, and you have a known service history for it (the dealer can give you this; if they won't, buy from a different dealer).

Well, drive 'em both & see what you like. But, since the '99 is the same car as the '98, I wouldn't worry too much about different test results from different labs.

Look at the real world figures; lab tests are by nature arbitrary and artificial. HLDI (Highway Loss Data Institute) would be one term to google for.

Dave Hinz

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Dave Hinz

in the European Crash Tests, ........also do excellent in crash tests ........in the European Front

........> Check out the front offset crash test video ........

You either suffer from 'crash paranoia,' are a hazard to yourself and others on the highway, or are simply looking to buy a tank. If those Saab boys are still employing the engine and transmission as a unit concept (cannot remove the transmission without the engine), I would be very uneasy contemplating purchasing one! Have at least one horror story of someone falling in love with one Saab model which he purchased for about $4500. Almost immediately the tranny failed. Upon discovering the cost of repair would exceed his purchase price he promptly bought an identical model for about the same money. Not long thereafter that tranny also failed - now this goodly(?) fellow has two essentially worthless driveway decorations to marvel at..................as one wag was wont to say, about anyone can afford a used Mercedes; however, not that many can afford to have one repaired - that engine/transmission as a unit that Saab has used is another good case in point!

Hey!, if I can recall the guy's name, I'll have him give you a call; maybe he can recoup some of his lost cash, if one of those crash testing outfits can use those two decorations (Saabs) he has??

Jim

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JIM

Never been true, Jim. Your source is wrong.

I also don't know of any Saab tranny which would approach $4500 in cost.

What model, Jim? Doesn't exist. Or, he ran into a crooked car repair shop which fed him a line, which is probably more likely.

Maybe he can clarify to you what the story is, because the version you got from him isn't reality.

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Dave Hinz

contemplating

Dave, not sure what your qualifications are concerning transmission work on Saab autos; however, have this reply from a tranny mech that has been doing this stuff for 25 years or more and it is a family function so actual experience goes back three generations:

"these guys are insane...i can assure you that on the 900 series saab, that the motor must be removed to get to tranny....any argument to this is futile !!.....now the 9000 series is a different matter...it is a more conventional front wheel drive and the tranny can be removed...no one in their right mind would have labor charges of less than 2,000 dollars to remove and install this unit and tear down of tranny, plus a possibility of $1,000-$2,000 in parts....the saab would have to be the safest car in the world, because you are not in a lot of danger at 0 mph on the side of the road !! "

As they say, them what knows, knows............the poor guy buying one of these boys second or third hand is the one who 'should know' but probably, like the 900 lover in my story, hasn't a clue!

Some Toyota Camrys are about as bad, as far as expensive transmissions when repair calls - one woman was tickled pink when my friend quoted her a price around $2k to get her wreck back on the road - seems everyone else just wanted to plug in a reman to the tune of about $3.5K!

I mean, what is the surprise when most of these "quality" autos crank outta-da-barn for anywhere from $20K - $75K - parts don't get cheaper just 'cause the old hunk gets older? Sad note is that many quality independent garages are going bye-bye every day and soon, with more and more of this 'modular' (non-repairable) concept, that lady and many like her will be crying the blues when all that is available will be that "new reman" from a dealer for $3,500 or likely more!

Jim

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JIM

LOL! I was at a VW/Saab agency in the S.F. Valley getting some VW parts. There was a Saab Mechanic working on a Saab, and he continually was saying "SLAABS" in a very derogatory tone.

My first thought when I read: "Howcome the 1998 Saab 9-5 wasn't available in the US?" was... "Because we are lucky...?"

I have a tranny guy who did my GM 700R4 (or is it 700-4R?) tranny two and one half times in just over 300,000 miles. He is good, reasonable, and honest. He went through the same thing with the Taurus trannys. He found it easier and more dependable to get a rebuilt directly from Ford than the try to work on them.

How "similar" is the tranny in the 960 to what he might know. He said he hasn't done much in the way of Volvo work (and not that my tranny needs anything) but with his general tranny knowledge, I wonder if he can handle the Volvo tranny? __ __ Randy & \ \/ /alerie's \__/olvo '93 960 Estate

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Randy G.

Reply from my friend was: "the volvo has an aisian warner transmission (toyota)....its been around for a long time and is a relatively easy unit to repair...."

Confidence in the folks that you are trusting your gear to is, as a popular add goes, priceless;) Still recall the first/last time I heard a Volvo service rep ask the owners of, think it was something new back in the '80s(?), a then current Volvo model "if they understood that a major tuneup would run close to $345 or so and were sure that is what they wanted done?" - 'Course, owning a '74 164 and having done most of the mechanical work on it for some time, I was pretty astounded - don't remember my '74, even with a valve adjustment, ever exceeding $80!

Said all that to say I have been very fortunate to find, come to know and be friends with, a local repair shop (transmission work buys the beans) that has helped make it possible for that ole '74 to make it to its 30th BD (Aug) with only 2 motor jobs (one which was dealer caused) in about 410,000 miles logged - did the last rebuild myself and have already put 25,000 on it;) So, since you trust the guy doing work for you I'd be inclined to stay with him!

Good luck with that 960............

Jim

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JIM

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