thinking of buying a Volvo

Volvo's 5-cyl engine is not Audi's, but their own. Volvo has used VW diesels in the past, but no longer do.

Volvo has used a Peugeot-Renault-Volvo V6 (PRV V6) in older 260 and 760 models.

AC

Toss schreef, Op 27/02/2006 20:45:

Yes, buy a newer Passat.

My previous car was a Passat. Now i have a V40 ('99). This is my first and my last Volvo. (Sorry Volvofans)

Please tell me why Rick, what made you come to this decision?

"Rick Tammenaers" schreef in bericht news:1141071940.988422@bru-ix-srv240...

Toss, given your budget, consider a 740 non-turbo wagon.

Look for one that has been well maintained, with frequent oil changes.

Make sure the plastic belly pan is still there: that is one thing that helps them last so long (good engineering helps too); if the belly pan is missing, odds are the car has been neglected.

Well maintained Volvos can easily go over a quarter million miles before requiring an engine rebuild.

Here in Holland the Volvo's with a quater of a million miles, thats 407,000 km are selling around and above my budget. Is it really still worth buying one, I drive myself between 25 and 30,000 km each year, and I do hope to keep going voor a good couple of years. Generally, do Volvos really reach the half million km's ???

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I have a 1987 740 non-turbo GLE that I just bought with 200,000 miles. I think the only reason I am machining the crankshaft and replacing engine bearings is because of a fuel injector that is leaking gas into the cylinder and wore the bearings. Anyhow, that's only costing me about $55 USD to machine the crank and $40 for bearings. I found a mechanic with cheap labor to pull the engine.

I expect my sedan to go another 100-200 thousand miles.

I have an '87 760 GLE with the PRV V-6 (B280F, the better of the two). It is a North American (Canadian) car.

It is about to turn over to 300K kms, and it is still running well. The dash is all cracked (typical), and the plastic is brittle in the interior (typical again), but otherwise, it always starts and drives (AW71 automatic transmission).

In the past 2 1/2 years, I've put in very few $$ worth of repairs. I'm impressed with the reliability. Just the fuel pump relay let me down once, not bad for a 19 year old car.

It has the original rad hoses, original tranny, engine, well, actually... JUST about everyting is original!! Even the starter motor (knock on wood). It also has original paint!! (and it shines!) the only rust is on the roof (of all places) near the sunroof and a few small spots just randomly in the middle of the roof.

The car was given to me, and yeah, I like it. I just won't admit it. The Euro cars have better looking bumpers, the N.A. ones are very ugly in my opinion.

Cheers!

Aren't the bumpers identical on the 700s?

I know the headlights are different but I didn't think the bumpers were as is the case with the early 240s.

I think I have only _twice_ spent more than that on a car. For the last couple of years I've been driving a two-previous-owner 740 estate with

400k+ km on it. It cost me 300 euro and I've spent less than 300 euro / year on maintenance.

After 6 or 7 years they have problems with the ashtrays filling up (obviously 6 or 7 months in NL !). A 740/760/940 Volvo of this age is barely run in. An 850 is looking lived in, an 850 T-5 has already been crashed and written off twice and a V** is probably scrapmetal.

You need new wrenches. Until I had a Volvo I'd never used the ends with the even number sizes! Everything on a Volvo is 14mm and 16mm. Weird.

Apart from that they're simple and have good access to most components. Things do wear out, but parts are cheap and they're easy to fit. Parts are so cheap!

When you go to buy parts, remember the age of the car. This is because parts for Volvos up to 40 years old are still available off the shelf and the range can get a bit confusing. Or else just fit whatever is nearest - everything fits. There's a neighbour running a couple of '60s P1800 Volvos on '90s 760 running gear. It all just bolts in.

Only the good ones. The 4 cylinders last _forever_. The 6 cylinders are only good to donate their bodyshells to keep a 4 cylinder running. the 5 cylinders are more complex and more fragile than the indestructible 4 cylinders, but still pretty good.

The 850 T-5 suffers because they're bought by maniacs who thrash them. If you compare them to something like a VW VR6 engine then they're fairly simple, but they're still a whole different ballgame to a B200.

Ahh, I think I'm mistaken. I thought that the Euro bumpers were "tucked" in closer to the body a little more than the N.A. ones. I had an Alfa Romeo Milano with the NA bumpers, and in Europe, they were MUCH shorter. Very different bumper regulations.. :(. Maybe Volvo made a world bumper (expensive way to go).

Funny, the bumper was originally designed to prevent damage to the body at

5mph, then 2.5 (in the US, 5mph still in Canada). That's about it. It was up to the chassis to distribute/absorb crash loads of greater magnitude. I think the 760 would have looked sweeter with shorter "tucked" in bumpers. My '87 has the accordion style sides, while the later cars have real nice clean bumpers that were a HUGE improvement IMHO.

Cheers

While I think it does look a bit better to have more tucked in bumpers, having been rear-ended twice in my 740 I'm thankful to have the big thick ones. The car looks a lot better with thick bumpers than it would with crumpled sheetmetal in the back.

"Everything on a Volvo is 14mm and 16mm."

Now wait a minute...10mm and 13mm are common.

The 5 cylinder diesel engine Volvo used before they introduced their own D5 engine actually DID come from Audi. Before the Audi engine, Volvo used the VW 6 cylinder diesel engine. Renault's 4 cylinder engines can be found in all Dutch made Volvo's (300/400/X40). As said above, the V6 engine was used by Peugeot, Renault (and Renault Alpine), Citroen, Lancia, DeLorean, MVS Venturi and, of course, Volvo.

The 5 cylinder engine that's being used since the 850 model is a 100% Volvo engine.

Being Dutch, just like me, I really recommend to have a look at these Dutch websites which will provide you with an enormous bulk of information:

They have very good and lively and vivid forums as well so you can ask all questions you like (about Volvo, that is).

Hi, Toss. Just thought I'd put in my 2 penneth. Had 11, that's eleven, volvo's so far. Lot's of other makes as well, but the volvo's beet them all, and never got rid of one just for the sake of it. 240's, 740's and 940's, new and old. They all did well over 300,000 mile, except my present 940 Wentworth which only has 52,000 mile on the clock. Drives like a new car even though it's actually 14 years old. Always liked the volvo estates because I have always found them the most practical car on the road. Even slept in them on occassion. My old 245 est did over 500,000mile before I got rid of it and that was purely because it looked terrible with all the lacquer peeling off. Wife said it was embarrassing, but drove perfectly (the car). All cars have their funny foibles, volvo's are no exception. But they're well engineered, confortable and made to last. I am not an anarak and therefore can't quote specs or data, but I can certainly tell you which parts fail first, best engine IMHO, preferred model, and so on.

Out of curiosity, how the heck did you manage to drive so much?

On mine, 3/4" and 1/2" are common. The 140 series and earlier we not metric; that was started with the 240s...

Gary Suggestions needed on how to remove the pully from the alternator without doing any more damage (broke corner off on of the cooling vanes).

Well just to inform you all, that yesterday I bought my first Volvo !! an

850 estate from 1995 with 2 liter 5 cyl, gas and 400,000 on the clock, for 2600 euro. The car is fantastic. I've never driven anything so comfortable, its a dream. It's in perfect condition and as far as I can determine it's in great shape. It's always a risk buying old cars, but this was a risk certinaly worth taking. I'm really impressed with this machine so far.

Thank you all for your comments, they really helped me over the line (especially when I had to consider the 400,000 k!!!) Toss

"Dave" schreef in bericht news: snipped-for-privacy@unozippy.waggs...

Sounds like a nice car, hope you enjoy your new ride. So long as it has been well taken care of and runs well, the mileage is of little concern.