EGR VALVE!

if you hear the click and the pumps runnings the relay is ok to power the pumps manually the terminals on relay socket have to be jumped (30 , 87)

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samstone
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Well im missing a fuel regualtor and a fuel filter, those hicks at the garage are going to die. Not literally, but Im atleast getting my money back.

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the_lower_class_brat

Okay so I got the new pump but I can figure out where some stuff goes, I know where the one from the tank goes, but theres this pressure looking valve what do you do with this?

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the_lower_class_brat

Do I connect it to the accumulator?

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the_lower_class_brat

I have to ask ..................'Do you have a repair manual'? Bentley is the best but Haynes makes information more user friendly. ;-) That is probably the first tool that you need since you are fighting an uphill battle with the ISSUES with your Golf. The pictures inside the manual should help you determine what is missing and how to hook it back up again.

Your main fuel pump is housed in a plastic box with a fuel filter on one side of that box and I believe the accumulator is on the other side of that box under your car. They kinda look like saddlebags to me. ;-)

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dave AKA vwdoc1

I have the haynes, but the sketch is terrible Or so I find. Theres 2 inserts on the top of the pump shaped liked a v, one with an arrow heading in another with it heading out, Im guessing one of the lines goes from the tank goes in and the other goes towards the injectors.

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the_lower_class_brat

I'm not getting any power to my gas pumps, unlesss they both have failed...

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the_lower_class_brat

there is a 20 amp fuse in the fuse box ( probably # F10 ) that supplies power from the battery to the fuel pump relay terminal 30 on the relay when it's plugged into its socket. Does your fuel pump relay click when you turn the key to the run position?

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samstone

Trying to help you, but it is a little difficult. I am sorry if this seems harsh or cold but I am getting confused with all of the different problems along with seemingly conflicting replies, with your vehicle. You have a Haynes manual but sometimes your replies are not clear to me. I'm not getting any power to my gas pumps, unlesss they both have

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dave AKA vwdoc1

My relay clicks, but I get no noise from the pumps.

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the_lower_class_brat

The clicking means the coil in the relay is getting power through the key. ( terminals 15 and 31 on the relay). This power is supplied through a different circuit than the power that supplies power to the pumps and fuel gauge. (terminals 30 and 87 on the relay )

So most likely the 20 amp. fuse has blown.

A great tool ( and a very low cost one to boot ) is a test light. A socket and bulb from any junker car with a couple feet of wire on each lead and two aligator clips works great. Try the tester / tool : one lead to the neg. of the battery the other to the pos. terminal of the battery. The bulb will light up. Always do this check first so you KNOW the ' tool' is good. In your case here , with a test light you could SEE if power is on the female terminal ( in the relay socket ) that correspondes to the one big male terminal 30 on the relay with the relay pulled.

One lead of the test lamp to a good ground , and the other lead of the test lamp to that female terminal in the relay socket will light the bulb if the fuse is good ( the key does not have to be in the run position for this test ). If the bulb doesn't light the fuse is blown open. A good ground connection is a must. Let me know if you don't know what a good ground means. I'll explain that if you don't.

If the bulb does light with that test ( fuse is good ) then using the test light at the pumps wiring will tell you if the power is getting to the pump through the relay. Put that relay back in. Then at the pump connect one lead of the test light to the ( green/black stripe ) wire and the other lead of the test light to (a good ground or the brown wire). Then turn the key to the ( run / on position ) and the test light should go on. If the test light does light that tells you : power is getting to the pump and the pump is probably no good. If the test light does not come on : the relay is not switching pump power through itself ( from 30 to 87 ) or the wiring has an open ( doubtful ).

DoctorDave , is this information beyond the KISS limits? ;-/

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samstone

Beyond me samstone! lol

I ALWAYS check electrical components by powering them with an external power source. This eliminates faulty wiring and insufficient power and then I can conclude that the component is dead or alive.

Many times the relay can click but may not complete the circuit and supply power. These relays are known to fail. ;-) I usually use a jumper wire after I remove the relay to supply power to the fuel pumps. One or two times that jumper wire gets really hot (not normal) and melts the insulation so be careful.

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dave AKA vwdoc1

How do I make a jumper wire, jsut to test?

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the_lower_class_brat

Woohoo! I got power to the pumps, now its just a question of it being hooked up wrong because Im getting no fuel to the injectors. so far I have the fuel filter going to one of the slots on the accumulator, then the other one is going to the opening on the pump itself. then a thin line going to a straight end on the side of the pump housing and then I have the in and the out on the top of the pump housing (v shape inserts). Im just mixed up about the how abouts of installing it with the accumulator and all.

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the_lower_class_brat

output of tank pump goes input of main pump output of main pump goes to input of accumulator output of the accumulator goes to the input of the fuel filter output of the fuel filter goes to the input of the fuel distributor output of the fuel distributor goes back to the fuel tank and control pressure regulator Hearing the pumps run does not mean they are pumping fuel. The input to the pump could be blocked.

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samstone

Good flowchart on the '87 Golf samstone! ;-)

Glad you hear the fuel pumps running. HOW did you get them to run?

I agree with a possible blockage. I had to clear a blockage right at the inlet of the main fuel pump box on a couple of Jettas.

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dave AKA vwdoc1

What hose clicks onto the pump itself? theres an L shaped valve looking adapter at the end of it. I have another pump that I tested with a booster that works. so if worst comes to worst Ill have to disconnect the other pump.

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the_lower_class_brat

Sorry , can't help you any further than what I posted, ( above) with this question.

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samstone

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dave AKA vwdoc1

OKay if someone could make a drawing in ms paint then post via photobucket hen send me the link that would be a god given gift.

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the_lower_class_brat

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