Now that one was--if I'm not mistaken--an excellent concept. At the very
least, they sold well and you *still* see plenty of them on the road. Some
have even said the K-car was the car that pulled Chrysler back from the
brink of failure.
I bought one for $100 and put a little money into it to make it into a
workable car once again. Now it runs and drives pretty well, even if the
paint is oxidized and the body has some not insignificant rust. Twenty three
years later the interior has really held up nicely.
In fact, my only complaint is what sits under the hood....a 2.6 liter
Mitsubishi engine. Today it seems to be impossible to find anyone who wants
anything to do with the carburetion system...in other words, heaven help you
if it breaks. It's only through the OEM service manual and a lot of
tinkering that I've learned anything about how it is supposed to work. And
it's still not quite right...it does run, but I think the Chrysler 2.2 would
have been the better engine choice at the time.
I suppose that it is also a matter of what you're used to as well. I can't
complain about Japanese and other Asian cars, many people have them and are
quite happy. But they are different beasts and I can't help but wonder if
the same thing will happen parts and service wise for them in 23 years.
Trust me it does. I owned a 1980 Datsun 210 for a number of years. Very
reliable and good car, went through 3 transmissions and 2 engines. I really
liked the ability to lay under the car and unbolt and change out the
by hand, no trans jack required, since the trans was so light. However I
unload it about 3 years ago because parts were just getting too difficult to
anymore. And I definitely have nothing good to say about Nissan support
and its's dealerships. I had on more than 1 occassion, used parts sold to me
dealership where they claimed they were new, and claimed they had come out
warehouse all covered with black greasy fingerprints, and the bag slit open
and taped back
together. The guy who bought it wanted it for a 60's Datsun truck he was
I don't think any car company, whether American, Japanese, German, or
Korean, cares about customers very much, but some companies have a lot
more money to spend on customers than others do, and it's probably
safer to bet on them.
Because not everybody learns from their mistakes? The American car
makers' slide didn't start just a few years ago but has been brewing
for 15-20 years.
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:53:30 -0700, larry moe 'n curly
Why is it that every defect that ever occurs in an American car is
remembered forever no matter how minor. But Toyota sells entire lines
of cars with engines that sludge up and burn up and no one gives a
That may be because when the American car companies have a problem they do
nothing about it, such as the leaking GM intake gaskets. When Toyota has a
problem they take care of it by extending the warranty or issuing a recall.
Are you kidding? When they had the door locks that shorted and locked
you in the car and then caught fire they denied the problem existed
till they lost in court. They routinely denied the sludge problem
claiming the owners weren't changing the oil even when the owners had
receipts for the work. Just another example of how people just look
at Toyotas with their rose colored glasses on and at American cars
with a kaleidoscope from hell.
It is mind boggling how the public and especially the auto industry
itself trusts receipts on oil and filter changes. It's a dilemma that
dealers and third party companies often charge for oil and filter
changes without doing them, but I would not be surprised at all if the
sludging problems aren't to some significant degree due to oil changes
*not* being done even though receipts show that they were.
Combine that with the fact that some of the problem cars have a
questionable 7500 mile change interval specified, and it doesn't take a
rocket scientist to figure it out (15,000 miles or longer between oil
changes that have been fraudulently documented by the dealers and oil
I can only conclude that the manufacturers know all of this, but they
cannot publicly bring up the fact that they know that customers are
being defrauded on oil and filter changes - often by their own dealers.
IMO the manufacturers are guilty on 2 counts: (1) Screwing the
customer when they have receipts instead of going after the fraudulent
dealers and companies, and (2) Covering for the fraudulent dealers and
oil change franchises - IOW take action against those dealers and
companies instead of screwing the innocent customer.
That's not to say that certain engines aren't more sensitive to longer
change intervals than others - that's indisputable IMO. The fraudulent
change documentation just makes it a huge problem.
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
Bill your missing the point.
The idea works like this: The auto mfgr's wave the warranty over their
customers heads to threaten them to go to the dealerships for the oil
The dealerships rake in the bucks doing fradulent oil changes, selling
wipers and all kinds of crap. Then the car conks out and the customer takes
it to the dealer for warranty work and the factory doesen't pay the dealer
all the time the warranty work takes to do, so the raked-in big bucks are
spent on the warranty work.
The entire point of the system isn't to have a well-maintained car. The
point of the system is to have a poorly maintained car that is in and out
of the shop all the time, so the dealerships have work to do, and the car is
so poorly maintained that 6 months after the customer has traded in the car,
(and 5 months after the dealership has re-sold the traded-in car) the car
conks out completely. In that way the auto makers insure that there isn't
a flood of good used vehicles on the market, depressing new car sale
prices, and they keep their dealerships happy with the service revenue.
That's quite a story, but one I've not experienced.
What I did experience from my dealer was so much pressure to look at the
Chrysler 300 they I no longer trusted them to service my 9+ yr old
Other customers must have done the same, because my dealer sold his
Chrysler dealership and kept his Toyota dealership.
I have seen at least two Toyota dealerships that won't work on 'old'
Toyotas, and they really pressure you to buy a new one. There's one just
south of the southern suburbs here in Chicago that's been a joke for at
least 15 years, if not longer and he won't work on any car over 2 years old,
and will not work on the car if you didn't buy it from him.
Charles of Schaumburg
You gotta start reading posts here and elsewhere. How can Toyota EVER
be able to properly handle problems when they NEVER have problems to
begin with? If you believe things posted here, or articles written in
Comsumers Digest, then you know nothing ever goes wrong with these
Only after spending FIVE YEARS stating that, "It was just owners who
didn't change their oil regularly." Oh yeah, that Toyota service is the
*greatest*. Just like Honda back in the 90s saying "Ignitors? What
ignitors? We don't see ANY problems with ignitors. By the way, we
installed a new ignitor, now quit complaining."
But not really proven to be fixed.... all the more reason to keep
pointing it out.
And don't get me wrong- Chrysler has a sludge-prone engine too (the 2.7L
v6) But at least they have documented engineering changes that address
the problem, and seem to have corrected it even when maintenance is poor.
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