I still see quite a few of them on the road, though hubby swore them off
because they were just too "middle-class" for him, whatever that means. I
think he just doesn't like the cliche.
Right, but the only way to rebound in that market, which is probably most of
the vehicles sold, they simply *have* to think outside those lines.
We never bought into the SUV thing - hubby considered a king-cab type
vehicle, but decided it was just not practical for a then-growing family of
four. He still may get a truck when the kids are out of the house. (he'd go
domestic for that)
Yeah - that was quite a fiasco. Wal-Mart sells the cheapest gas in this
area, and if you buy it with a gift card, you get another 3 cents per gallon
off of the already rock-bottom price (probably because they figure if they
get you in the store to buy the card, you'll pick up something else)
I don't know that it's the moms that bought the big trucks. I seldom see
women driving those. Minivans I see are almost always driven by women.
But Chrysler still dominates it, as it has done since inventing the
segment in 1994.
Horse shit. Don't equate "American" with "Cadillac." The last
body-on-frame Dodge or Plymouth was built in 1959. The last
body-on-frame Chrysler product was the 1967 Imperial, all the others
having transitioned to unibody in '60.
Yeah. Right. That's really funny since both GM and Chrysler had a full
range of front-drives nearly 10 years before toyota quit trying to sell
rear-wheel-drive "economy" cars.
I am not sure what you mean by a full range of FWDs. Oldsmobile sold
the Tornado, a large FWD car starting in 1966 (1966 model) and the "X
Cars" starting in 1980 (1980 models). Chrysler sold the Omni and
Horizons starting in 1978. The "K"cars showed up in 1980 (1981
models). Why are you leaving out Ford? The Fiesta, sold in the US
starting in 1977 (1978 Model) was also FWD. The US Escort was a FWD
car introduced in 1980 (1981 Model). Interestingly, Ford had plans to
do a small FWD car for the US in the early 60's but Lee Iacocca killed
that because he felt it would not sell in the US.
I left out Ford because I couldn't remember when the Esquirt came out (I
don't count the Festiva, it was a pile of junk, and imported from Asia
anyway). But yeah, Ford had the Escort, Taurus/Sable, and Tempo/Topaz by
the mid 80s. That's a compact, a midsize, and a fullsize, or a "full
range" of cars and Toyota really didn't make the jump to FWD until
Actually, I hate FWD in many ways (as Some-O will certainly remind me
;-) but I was challinging the statement above which claimed:
>>>When it came to changing that, to selling small, efficient,
>>>front-drive vehicles, the Americans fell flat on their faces.
Basically the VW created the minivan in 1950. They didn't call it that, of
course, but the Type 2 is one of the most compact people and cargo carriers
for its size at the time. There were a lot of attempts to copy it, such as
the Fiat Multiplia, but none so successful. They make something called a
Eurovan today, but it's a far cry from the original Microbus.
Charles of Schaumburg
Yep, the first compact pickup. Got taken out in the tarrif 'Chicken Wars'
in the 1950's. VW sold only the Microbus in the US after that, but still
sold the pickup and the rest of the line elsewhere.
Charles of Schaumburg
The Falcon Club Wagon of the mid sixties offered a similar truck but with a
lower tailgate because the engine was in the front. The Club wagon was
larger, more powerful and not nearly as expensive as the VW
It was 84, and VW *never* made a minivan. They made a pile of crap that
came in three different but equally vile scents (microbus, vanagon, and
eurovan), but not a minivan. Its amazing that for all VW has done well
over the years, they have some kind of corporate mental block against
building a decent van.
No, I equate "traditional American" with "Ford LTD/Fairmont/Grand
Marquis". RWD, body on frame.
So now they do it with trucks. They're miserable with modern, compact,
Funny thing--Honda came into the market with fwd cars. The only rwd car
they ever did was NSX.
Honda predated the GM small, efficient, fwd cars by eons.
And when GM came into the market with fwd, what was it with? Riviera.
Huge boat of a car.
Fine and dandy. Where did I mention "Honda" above?
Honda hasn't existed an "eon," only about 40 years.
Actually the Riviera wasn't the first GM front-drive, that would have
been the Toronado/Eldorado. And *THOSE* were prowling the roads before
Honda was even *building* cars. The Riv was moved to the FWD platform
some years later. About the time Honda was developing a car with a
rubber docking ring around the rear window and a motorcyle engine under
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