There comes a time when increasing gas mileage is a losing game, and becomes
impossible. I realize fully that mfr.s have made enormous strides (I used
to get 10 miles per gallon from a Pontiac convertible I had in college, when
gas was about 30c,) but there is a point where mileage can't be increased,
and demanding that it be increased is like demanding that they sew buttons
on zephyrs of wind.
Nothing of value will ever be accomplished until the public gets some
education and understands the difference between "Efficiency" and
Miles Per Gallon is a measure of economy, not a measure of efficiency
and a vehicle that has a lower MPG number can readily be much more
efficient than a vehicle with a higher MPG number.
And they have to WANT to get better mileage. The CAFE can be increased
tomorrow by using smaller engines, building smaller cars, but the buyers
still want the performance of the 200+ hp sedan.
We can save oil by eliminating the Sunday drive, cruise ships, pleasure
boats, snowmobiles, vacations, etc. It does not matter how much we gripe,
as long as we continue to buy the same vehicles and willingly pay $3.50 a
gallon, we are sending a message.
How about improving the technology for getting the thick, dirty oil out of
the ground in Oklahoma and Texas?
Half of the oil ever there is still there, because it takes to much effort
to get it out of the ground. And its full of sulphur.
Improving the MPG of vehicles is only half the battle.
And if the Iraq war WAS all about oil (which I believe it was),
then those oil reserves will be sunk into industry, and the military forces
protecting the oil fields, shipping lanes, pumping stations, etc etc etc.
I think John Q Public is going to pay out the ying yang for gas, and will be
driving the 4 wheel equivalent of a motor scooter in the near future. Gas
at $20 a gallon sounds about right, what with the dollar in freefall and
all. Good job BushCo!
Is this after she gets universal healthcare for ALL our friends south of the
border? Or after she finishes giving amnesty to all Illegal aliens and
totally ruins the country. Maybe she can leap tall buildings in a single
bound and is faster than a locomotive.
look up in the sky, its a bird its a
No just the hillary blimp.
And your unaware that every politician ever elected from both parties
has immediately reniged on their campaign promises? As in "read my lips"
This is nothing more than campaign poofery. It will pass.
Is there a person out there that thinks ANY manufacture if they could build
a vehicle that can carry five, get out of it own way and not die climbing a
grade, sell for under 30K and still get an average 50 MPG , would NOT build
such a vehicle and own the market if the technology were available? Simply
passing a law that says they must is pure BS. Hell few motorcycles get an
average 50 MPG
First, you have to change attitudes. No amount of engineering will convince
the majority of Americans they can live with a smaller car. I average 24
mpg in my full sized car, but frankly, I can live with something smaller
myself. In Europe I'll get a small rental and accept it as normal. I do
refuse to buy one of the big Land Barges though.
One can get by eating chicken, but once in a awhile we want steak or
lobster. When did we ever decide it was a 'good idea' to allow the
government to pick what we buy? Americans do not want small cars. If they
did they would buy them, there are plenty available. Can the average
American afford more than one vehicle, those that can do. They own the
larger safe mid size and full size vehicle they need and a small car for
when they do not need the larger safe mid size and full size vehicle.
Anybody running for office that says they will require any particular MPG
will not get my vote any more than one who is tries telling me what I may
wrote in message
on Thursday 22 November 2007 08:00 am, someone posing as Nomen Nescio took a
rock and etched into the cave:
This is actually a good article...
'A hypothetical Camry that weighed 2,525 pounds (1,148 kg), and had a 1.4
liter, 128-horsepower engine could accelerate to 60 miles per hour in 9.2
seconds, but would average 42 miles per gallon (5.5 liters per 100 km.) The
same exercise applied to a Ford F-150 pickup would produce a vehicle that
weighs 877 pounds less than today's vehicle, gets around on a 162
horsepower engine and averages 27 mpg, compared with 17.3 mpg today."
Now, I would not be driving a compact Camry or be found in a Ford truck, but
the concept works.
If we all stop carpooling, we'd remove much of the weight from the car/truck
and thus get better mileage.
I like that!
All cars are bigger that in the past. The current Civic and Corolla are
bigger than the Accord and Camry just 6 or 8 years ago. The feds rate
today's Camry as a mid size car. The Taurus on the other had is a full size
car, even though it sells for thousands.. Americans apparently do not want
to buy small cars. If they did the Civic and Corolla would out sell the
Accord and Camry, rather than the other way around
on Monday 26 November 2007 08:35 am, someone posing as My Name Is Nobody
took a rock and etched into the cave:
Funny how everyone disagrees with me.
All I know is I ride in a camry with the seat all the way back and my knees
either hit the dashboard (if I'm a passenger) or the steering wheel (if I'm
Now, a buddy of mine has a '95 Camry which seems to have a little more room
on the passenger side.
Don't even think of squeezing me in the back seat.
I much prefer my midsize Chevy Avalanche!
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