Oh (diety of your choice). I have to put up with a helmet war in a
I'll give one of the con side arguments, although I do often commute
by bike (15 miles each way) and do wear a helmet.
Folks, because of various factors like coolness and hair styles, do
not like wearing helmets so they don't ride a bike. Also, the need to
wear a helmet reinforces the idea that biking is dangerous. Therefore,
less people bike than would otherwise. Because one of the greatest
factors in improving bike safety is to increase the number of
cyclists, wearing helmets makes biking less safe.
So be careful of using anecdotal evidence. If more folks were biking
and not wearing helmets, you might actually see less split heads over
That is without a doubt the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen regarding
Biking IS more dangerous, but not due to the activity itself, but the
actions of others. Fact is, if a car hits you on the bike/motorcycle, you
are more likely to have fatal injuries than the person driving the car.
Statistics back me up, so your argument does not stand.
As I said, your life is in the hands of *others* - best to protect yourself
as much as possible.
And before someone says it, I know most car/bike accidents are caused by the
car driver, but, as an old Florida Highway Patrol public service ad put it -
"You may be in the right. *Dead* right."
Frankly, I don't bike much, due to an incident near here a few years back.
An old woman drove her car onto the curb and hit two girls around age 10-11.
When I say "curb", I mean 6" high, new granite, and the girls were
definitely NOT in the street. Luckily, a school bus driver witnessed it, and
the girls survived without grievous injury.
The old woman left the scene, but turned herself in a day or two later. Her
comment: She thought the girls were garbage cans, and until a family member
heard about it on the news and put 2 & 2 together, she had no idea what
Until I am allowed to pull my gun and terminate anyone who hits me when I'm
biking, I'm no longer comfortable with doing it on public roads. There are
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:22:19 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
So you think people that drive impaired should be shot?
Then this would be one!
I used to commute from Riverhead to Great Neck. There was a coffee
truck at most exits, and stopping for 20 minutes to shmooze with
people was a real social event. And, we really didn't lose much
progress by stopping, since we only would've travelled about 2 miles
in that time. I got to know the cops pretty well because listening
to them on the CB was a way of testing our installations.
They were truly bored, though. One day, I started razzing one of
them about how he must be getting moldy sitting in his car praying
for something interesting to happen. So, I told him that if he could
bust me for ANYTHING, I'd buy him a cup of coffee every day for a
month. There was the occasional joint in my car, but other than
that, what could I do? Change lanes without signalling? There was so
much traffic that there was no way they could get near you. If you
needed a tow truck, two birthdays would go by before it got there.
Two months passed. One day, this cop was at our store getting some
work done on his CB. At closing time, me and two other guys jumped
in my car to vanish into a nearby neighborhood and partake of one of
mother nature's leafy treats before heading back to the store to get
our individual cars. Out of nowhere comes this cop. We didn't even
have time to open the windows and air out the car. He walks up to
the car and says "You didn't signal when you pulled out of the
parking lot. Black, sugar, no cream, see ya at exit 48,
7:15 AM every day, wise guy. And by the way (he leans into the car
and sniffs), burning leaves is illegal around here, Clean air laws,
Walks away laughing his ass off.
There is no question that wearing a helmet (and wearing it CORRECTLY)
is of great use if you fall on your head. I often see people wearing
helmets that would clearly fall off as soon as they hit the brakes
It is a fact that biking is safer when more people are biking. It is a
fact that more people would bike if they weren't scared shitless by,
among other things, the helmet manufacturers. So, it is possible that
removing the scare tactics of the helmet lobby would encourage more
prople to bike. It is actually far safer than many other activities.
Here, look at some numbers:
Where are the statistics that back you up? Some of these might:
That is, of course, a pro-helmet organization, likely funded by such.
The problem is that incidents involving bikes/helmets are rarely
accurately reported, so we really know very little. Two popular
studies showing how effective helmets are were found to be less than
One thing that would greatly enhance biking safety is forcing a delay
in car door opening. Rather than just swing right out, it should take
a few seconds to open all the way. That would give me time to skirt
around the morons who just fling the door open. A boy died just two
weeks ago when some asshole did that and knocked him into traffic.
She wasn't charged with manslaugher but she should have been. A few
more people heading off to jail for 10 years would teach the lesson
pretty well. Less consideration of intent and more on effect.
Remember now, I'm wearing a helmet. It fits right, and I have a nice
red blinky on the back of it. In fact, as it gets darker during my
commute, the bike starts looking like an ambulance. The helmet also
does a good job keeping my head warm during the cold months. And, no,
the human body does not lose 90% of its heat through the head:
However, because the blood in the head is keeping the brain working
well, a helmet in winter is smart because it can keep you more alert.
Good point - it's like driving around without your seat belt, thinking your
air bags are all you need.
Probably because if lots of folks are biking, then the drivers in that area
will be more alert?
You have to talk all polls, etc. with a grain of salt, but I'm telling you -
every helmet-less bike/motorcycle rider who wasn't absolutely mowed down
suffered terrible head injuries that could have been prevented with a
(properly worn) helmet.
I don't agree. The kid should have been watching the cars. I *do* take my
time and look around before opening a door on the street, but not because of
bikers - because of other cars possibly taking off my door.
I knew better than that head heat thing (benefit of medical training), but
you'll never convince me that a helmet shouldn't always be worn.
Uh oh. I think you're wonderful, but your car maintenance questions make it
clear that you are not very observant at times. Therefore, you don't realize
that a car door could open suddenly enough to mess up even a very careful
What do you mean? The brakes thing? One of the mechanics said you
wouldn't notice until it was steel against steel. I'm no car expert, I
admit, but that car gets all the maintenance it requires (usually earlier
than the sticker says).
Sure the car door can fly open, but how fast do you have to be going to be
fatally injured? I would think pretty fast.
In any case, it doesn't involve heavy mental lifting to understand that a 90
lb person going head first over an obstacle at 10-20 mph will exert more
than enough force to break his or her own neck if that's how the fall
occurs. And, at those speeds, a collision with a car door can certainly
damage internal organs.
Unlikely? I'll bet you won't try this tomorrow: Go to a parking lot. Get
your car going 20 mph, then put every ounce of your energy into slamming on
the brakes. Use both feet. Come back & tell us how it felt. Better yet, have
hubby cut a piece of wood that covers the steering wheel. Hold that there
when you hit the brakes. Make sure your glasses are off.
Thanks, but I have other plans.
A controlled experiment doesn't count as a viable statistics. That's like
saying, "I think I'll go jump off the roof to see if I break any bones."
I'm talking odds, not cause and effect.
Folks, please use your text editors to delete all but the most
strictly relevant quoted text from your followups, okay? The
idea isn't to include the whole thread in its entirety in each
and every post.
This thing of having to scroll through two or three screensful of
quoted material in order to get to what the current poster is
saying is absurd. Like dimming your high beams in the face of
oncoming traffic, it's something that, one would think, nobody
would need to be told about, because it affects them too.
"If it rains after a liberal washes his car, they say
it's a right-wing dirty trick." -- Ann Coulter
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