No; just enjoy the test drive. Try to test it under as many traffic
conditions as you can.
rural or suburban highway (not freeway)
Just enjoy it!
On my first drive I was pretty impressed that when I pulled up to a
stop sign the engine shut down. Still am, as a matter of fact. You'll
notice it, I'm sure.
The only negative that we noticed was that we weren't impressed with
the field of view looking out the rear window through the rear view
mirror. It's fairly limited but we've gotten used to it now.
Have you tried the method of adjusting mirrors they described on Car Talk?
It works pretty well in my Saturn, which had a nasty blind spot behind me
and to the left.
It went very well - the Prius handles nicely, accelerates well getting on
the highway, the in-dash display is intuitive and not as distracting as I
thought it might be, and I could barely tell when the gas engine cut in and
out. The only thing that stood out as annoying was the limited
rearview-mirror visibility; I prefer to have more of a view as to what's
coming up on me.
Unfortunately, the three cars they had on the lot contained unwanted option
packages putting them in the $24k range, and they confirmed there's no way
of installing just the onboard satellite navigation short of the $5k
all-inclusive accessory package, so I walked. I just couldn't justify the
added expense - the base model price was pushing it, and my treat was to be
the sat nav, not the other things I have no interest in.
They promised to call me if a base model Prius turns up in their allocation,
and I'll consider it if I can find an elegant sat-nav solution.
That's what they want you to believe. I installed a Kenwood KNA-DV3100 with the
8" touch screen in my '04 with the Package 7. It's a full-featured touch
screen, voice activated DVD-based GPS navigation system. The screen goes where
the plastic hinged door that covers the compartment right below the radio. I
have about $1500 in the Nav and display, and it cost $200 to get it installed.
It works FAR BETTER than the Toyota OEM version in the Prius.
An added bonus is that since it uses a separate screen, I can keep the
consumption display up at the same time I am using the Nav.
You can see the pictures here:
Hope that helps.
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They were quite willing to consider an integrated idea, and were open to
aftermarket options - they just didn't know of any offhand that met my
requirement that it use the existing display, which hamstrung them. I didn't
feel any pressure from them to go with their system.
Thanks for the tip on the Kenwood. I'll give that serious thought.
I agree with you regarding the rear view from the center mirror (as I
mentioned in an earlier post). It could be better. We have 5k miles on
ours now and have gotten used to it but it is still somewhat annoying.
We ended up spending more than we wanted to but we still believe we
got full value received. Not sure I'd want to give up the options now
though. We like the gadgets as much as the next person, I suppose.
But, suffice it to say that we really didn't plan to spend as much as
we did. When and if you do make your purchase, be prepared for the
additional warrenty offer (increases the warrenty from 3 years to
whatever you want - we took 7 years) and, of course, they want to sell
you a service agreement, which we also bought but not so sure we got a
great deal on that now that we've had time to study it further.
I've seen some dash mounted satellite navigation systems that look
pretty good that can be added as an accessory item. These aren't from
Toyota but are relatively inexpensive. I'm considering adding one in
the near future.
Glad you had a good test drive. Hope you can eventually find the one
you really want.
Does that cover the battery? One of the nagging concerns I have is what
would happen when the hamsters in there get tired, and who handles the
replacement cost. There's also the chance I'd be out of the car before then,
though I bought my current car new in '96 and it's going strong.
Steve's Kenwood comment gives me food for thought, and I'm also considering
one of the Palm OS handhelds with GPS built in as I'd get more overall use
out of it, in the car and out. The latter isn't as elegant but it is more
It's in their court, augmented with the fine advice I'm receiving here and
in other Prius conversations.
The good thing about an aftermarket nav is that it is portable. Many of them will cover a given area in more detail thatn the OEM version too, at least in the US.
If you get an extended warranty, shop around first and make sure you but the Toyota version not any other. 7yrs/100000 miles available for less than $1,000 - see Priuschat.com
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then,<BR>though I bought my current car new in '96 and it's going
strong.<BR><BR>> I've seen some dash mounted satellite navigation systems
that look<BR>> pretty good that can be added as an accessory item. These
aren't from<BR>> Toyota but are relatively inexpensive. I'm considering
adding one in<BR>> the near future.<BR><BR>Steve's Kenwood comment gives me
food for thought, and I'm also considering<BR>one of the Palm OS handhelds
with GPS built in as I'd get more overall use<BR>out of it, in the car and
out. The latter isn't as elegant but it is more<BR>flexible.<BR><BR>> Glad
you had a good test drive. Hope you can eventually find the one<BR>> you
really want.<BR><BR>It's in their court, augmented with the fine advice I'm
receiving here and<BR>in other Prius
The traction battery (the big, expensive one) is covered by the standard
8 year/100,000 mile drive train warranty. If the salesanimal said you
had to buy an extended warranty to cover that battery that long then he
After seven years of Toyota selling about 100,000 Priuses I have found
zero reports of battery replacements other than those damaged in
All extended warranties are insurance policies, priced to return a
profit to the seller. If you can afford the possible loss or repair
cost it's always a better bet to self-insure (in other words, don't buy
the extended warranty).
The hybrid battery, in the US, is standardly covered by the 8
year/100,000 mile Hybrid Vehicle System warranty. If you live in CA,
MA, ME, NY, or VT, the hybrid battery on the 2004 and newer Prius is
covered by the longer CA Emission Control warranty for 10
See question #17 on:
17. What is the warranty for Prius?
Toyota has extreme faith in our hybrid technology, so Prius comes
standard with the following coverages:
Basic: 36 months/36,000 miles (all components other than normal wear
and maintenance items).
Hybrid-Related Component Coverage: Hybrid-related components,
including the HV battery, battery control module, hybrid control
module and inverter with converter, are covered for 8 years/100,000
miles. The HV battery may have longer coverage under emissions
warranty. Refer to applicable Owner's Warranty Information booklet for
Powertrain: 60 months/60,000 miles (engine, transmission/transaxle,
front-wheel drive, rear-wheel drive, seatbelts and airbags).
Rust-Through: 60 months/unlimited miles (corrosion perforation of
Emissions: Coverages vary under Federal and California regulations.
Refer to applicable Owner's Warranty Information booklet for details.
Accessories: For accessories purchased at the time of the new vehicle
purchase, the Toyota Accessory Warranty coverage is in effect for 36
months/36,000 miles from the vehicle's in-service date, which is the
same coverage as the Toyota New Vehicle Limited Warranty. For
accessories purchased after the new vehicle purchase the coverage is
12 months, regardless of mileage, from the date the accessory was
installed on the vehicle, or the remainder of any applicable new
vehicle warranty, whichever provides greater coverage, with the
exception of car covers. Car covers are warranted for 12 months from
the date of purchase and do not assume any coverage under the Toyota
New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
You may be eligible for transportation assistance if it's necessary
that your vehicle be kept overnight for repairs covered under
warranty. Please see your authorized Toyota dealership for further
For complete details about Toyota's warranties, please visit
www.toyota.com, refer to the applicable Owner's Warranty Information
booklet or see your Toyota dealer.
Prius customers are covered by roadside assistance and road hazard
insurance for 36 months/36,000 miles from the vehicle's in-service
date. Examples of this service include flat tire, vehicle lockout and
jumpstart. See your Toyota dealer for details.
I gotta recommend a GPS navigation system that is designed for automotive
use. They are much more intuitive in a car, and the controls are set up for
some one that has to keep eyes on the road and hands on the wheel. I use a
Garmin eTrex Legend when I am on the road, and it leave lots to be desired.
The display is smalland monochrome . The memery only holds 8 meg of maps.
There is no voice activation, or contingency re-routing.
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:39:00 -0700, "John DeGrazia"
Another comment about Navs designed for automotive use. This is true for the
Kenwood, the Toyota Nav, and the Nav that I have in my Murano.
These Navs not only have the GPS receiver, but they use gyros to detect heading,
and the speed pulse from the car to help clock milage. The three systems
cross-check each other, and if you get in an area that you can't get good gps
coverage (such as a tunnel), the gyro and speed pulse keeps the Nav on track.
The other thing about hand-held Navs is that I don't know if they are designed
for the conditions that you find in the interior of a car. I know that in the
summer here (Miami), the interior of a car can get upwards of 140 degrees. My
Nav screen gets hot to the touch. When I lived in Minnesota, the interior of
the car could vary from -20F in the night and morning to 50F in the early
afternoon if the car sat in a sunny spot. The in-car Navs are designed to take
these kind of temperature extremes, as well as noisy electrical power and a
significant vibration. Are inexpensive hand-held units designed for these
conditions? I don't know, but it's important to know this for reliability
I really like the dual displays, and wish my Murano had dual displays (one car,
one Nav) rather than the integrated display it currently has.
Also, and the Kenwood Nav, if the Nav unit dies outside warranty, I can just put
another Kenwood Nav in the car without spending big $ for an OEM replacement
Steve in Miami
'04 Seaside #7
Can you take your gps out of the car to go geocaching?
My handheld unit has withstood a dip in a stream, numerous rigorous
rides attached to my motorcycle, it can easily move from my car to my
wife's, it can be taken out of the car for walks. I could go on and
on. For me it was a very easy decision to make. For less than $300.00
I have all of the capabilities of the in dash nav system plus so many
more for considerably less money.
This was as easy as deciding who should be our next President.
All the capabilities? It can give you routing to almost any address,
freeway entrance or exit, or business in the continental United States,
including inputting the phone number of a business and getting the
routing? It can give you the phone number of almost every business in
the continental US? It lets you specify that you want to keep off toll
roads, or that you have a detour on your route? It has a legible 8"
monitor? You can zoom the map display?
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