Can you teach me more about lug bolts & related tire tools?

BTW, I've heard every argument from every naysayer already, almost all of whom have never done the job themselves (except Clare, who seems to hate the DIY job, so that changes his perspective completely - and that's understandable because DIY is about ENJOYING what you're doing - it's not about saving money - because ALL DIY jobs save money).

The one and only thing you can't do at home easily is dynamically balance the tires ... but ... what you can (easily) do is the dynamic balance test.

The test is simple. You simply drive at speed.

In all my tire changing at home, I have had only one tire that I balanced that had a dynamic imbalance, and that turned out to be because the weight I put on fell off.

I'm /sure/ there are dynamic imbalance issues in many cars - and, in fact, if it's only 1 out of 100, that's enough reason for a shop to dynamically balance /all/ tires, because they can't afford a customer a day complaining about the vibration.

Bear in mind that vehicles were statically balanced for decades, and that when you statically balance at home, you do a fantastically good job, and especially if you've mounted the carcass by the dots, you've used as small a weight as is possible already.

There are some who argue that you can have a dynamic imbalance and not know it, but that's just their utter fear of the unknown kicking in.

If you remove all this fear of the unknown (like the idiotic concept that mounting your tires at home is somehow less gentle than it is to mount them at a shop), then what you end up with is a job that is about as complex as is changing your oil or climbing on a ladder to clean out the gutters.

Like all DIY jobs, you do it because you ENJOY doing it yourself, but, like all DIY jobs, the tools pay for themselves, and like all DIY jobs, you do them at your convenience.

For example, I buy tires by the specs from Simple Tires, generally with free shipping (which is critical because Tire Rack UPS shipping is something like $15 to $20 per tire alone!) and I have the UPS guy deliver them right to the side of my house (he's used to it by now).

Then, whenever I feel like it, I spend an hour to mount and balance the tires, in my pajamas if that's how I feel at that moment.

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It's that easy.

Anyone who says otherwise, either hates the task (like Clare seems to), or has never done it.

Just look at the youtube videos, for example, where it's pretty darn easy, but my recommendation is to use the half-dozen tricks I already mentioned, such as bolting the mounter to the ground (I've done it on a pallet but it's just not worth the trouble).

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Pot, kettle, black.

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ultred ragnusen

Pot, kettle, black.

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ultred ragnusen

There's good news and bad news in these numbers.

Bearing in mind that, for home use, a few percent error is ok, all you're really looking for is a gross error.

How much is an acceptable gross error? I don't know.

Maybe 10% for a head bolt or valve cover bolt? Maybe even 20% for a lug nut?

Let's assume it's 5%. All we need is a calibration standard that is plus or minus 5% then.

That's the trick. Where do we get a calibration standard that will pay for itself?

A lot of people seem to use this $30 HF #68283 digital torque wrench adapter:

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Here's the owners manual:
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If I didn't already have plenty of torque wrenches, I'd buy that, but I don't need more torque wrenches as all tools have storage costs.
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ultred ragnusen

I agree with you that the HF quality isn't always the best, but, it's "good enough" for some jobs, where, I can tell you that the tire-changing tools are OK for the number of tires we will be doing in our lifetimes.

I would gladly buy a wrench set for the emergency kit of my car from HF, but I wouldn't use it as my primary set of wrenches (almost all of which are Craftsman, which is middle-of-the-line stuff, IMHO).

The thing I have to stress about the HF tire mounter is that you can only use the bead breaker attachment on easy tires such as a Japanese import economy car, where it works ok on my European sport sedan, but it fails miserably (it literally bends) on the SUV tires.

The other thing I stress about the HF mounter is that you must bolt it down. You can get away with not bolting it down, but it's just not worth the trouble that causes, compared to the slight issue of drilling four bolt holes and popping in the inserts. I just leave mine in but you can unbolt it in a couple of minutes if you want to store it collapsed.

As for the bed breaking tool, it too has a slight problem with SUV tires, but all tires smaller are no contest. The SUV tires are too big for the base, so they flip up, which in one of the videos you see a guy not realizing that. The solution is simple, which is to put a board on the base, which prevents the wheel from popping up on the side opposite where you're trying to break the bead. With that simple addition, it works fine for SUV tires.

I have no complaints with the static balance tool. I think it's a bit pricey for what it is (it's just a cone-shaped bubble balance) but it's all aluminum and it stores easily and certainly is easy to use so it does the job.

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ultred ragnusen

Indeed. Why bother doing such a thing yourself when you need specialised equipment to get it done properly? And when the garage only charges a tenner?

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James Wilkinson Sword

Depends where you drive, residential streets are the worst where f****it= builders lave nails lying about.

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Doctor: "Ask the accident victim his name so we can notify his family." Nurse: "I did! He said his family already knows his name."

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James Wilkinson Sword

Learn to quote.

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James Wilkinson Sword

Learn to quote.

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James Wilkinson Sword

But apparently nothing the UK has to offer - - -

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Clare Snyder

The robots don't care where they are. OTOH, look where the car makers have put up plants. No new ones in Detroit, New York, or California. Mexico has some.

How about a Hungary Mercedes

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Ed Pawlowski

Thank god we don't have the killings other countries seem to suffer.

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Fredxx

You are working on it.

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Try a little more diversity and you'll make the grade.

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rbowman

I'm with you. Repairing punctures was something I had to do as part of my trade. Even with the gear, it was a pain to do, especially truck and tractor tyres. At 65, I'm quite happy to pay someone much younger to do the job for me.

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Xeno

The robots may not care where they live but it still needs a large, mainly unskilled or semi-skilled workforce to feed them and to perform all the other tasks that currently cannot be assigned to robots.

The location of new assembly plants probably has more to do with who can give the biggest grant or subsidy in the guise of regional aid for deprived areas or just a government willing to forego taxes in order to create jobs in n area.

I doubt if there are many car factories these days where a whole car is manufactured on the premises. Often engines and gearboxes are manufactured in a single plant and then shipped worldwide and the same item ends up in many competing brands. In the past I have seen user reviews where they claim that the power-train in brand X is a lot better than that in brand Y whereas they are exactly the same.

It's much the same in other industries. How many companies actually make the LCD screens for large screen TVs? How many consumer items are just badged? Here in the UK well known brand names have been purchased to allow the brand badge to be used on no-name electronics or other goods. I'm aware of at least one item of electronics where the identical item was sold under 4 different brand names, all at different prices, to cater for those with brand loyalty and to fleece those who believe that band A is better quality than brand B, even though brand B as an independent company went bust a decade before.

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alan_m

We are getting there. The new weapon of choice seems to be throwing acid.

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Those carrying out attacks can be charged with Grievous Bodily Harm (GBH) with intent which carries a maximum life sentence.

The best way to avoid these attacks in the UK is don't get involved with domestic violence and don't attend any nightclub where there only claim to fame is that they are frequented by Z list celebrities.

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alan_m

Speaking of ingenuity, check out this redneck rear rotor surfacing technique at home, with a grinder and while the rotors are spinning.

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I guess it works for driven wheels only though.
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I guess this is how rednecks do the non-driven wheels.
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ultred ragnusen

Judging by those videos you don't need to ban guns in the USA - just ban power tools!

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alan_m

That's the problem with the internet - the blind leading the blind!

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Xeno

Power tools are extremely useful, I use them a lot.

Just *ban idiots* from using power tools.

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Xeno

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