Hey Mike, Toyota owners are not under the "delusion" that their Toyotas will
never break down. They are under the accurate impression (usually from
personal experience) that their vehicles will break down less to a lot less
than any other brand.
It is still an illusion since it is not true. Look at any survey of the
auto indistry. The failure rate is around 2% for ALL manufactues, within
the first five years or 75K, which means 98% of all the others among them
will not have a failure. EVERY manufacture makes some that are not up to
snuff. That is why they all have a warranty even RR. ;)
What you write is simply not true. In fact it is utterly absurd. I've
pointed this out to you in the past and I wish you would make an effort to
understand it. Go look in the Consumer Reports owner surveys and you will
find that, for example, the failure (problem) rate for a five year old Lexus
(that is, in it's fifth year) is about 22 failures per 100 vehicles (a Lexus
owner has a 1 in 5 chance of having a problem in year 5, on average). That
is for just year 5, not a total of 5 years. Very different. For Mercedes
Benz and Cadillac the failure rate is about 105 failures per 100 vehicles.
The Merc and caddy owner has a 1 in 1 chance of having a problem during year
5, on average. Pretty bad for high priced spreads. The overall average
failure rate for all cars during year five is about 75 failures per 100
vehicles. So the Lexus guy is much better off than the average, while the
Caddy and Merc owners are significantly more likely to have trouble.
How you got a failure rate of 2% in five years is a profound mystery and
something that is simply unbelievable. Even if you claimed it was a 2%
annual failure rate that is still ridiculously low. Even Japanese cars do
not do that well. My GM Yukon XL had at least five failures in five years,
or a 100% chance of a single failure each year, on average. (Pretty close to
what CR reports for year 5, actually.)
No wonder you are confused, you need to go back to mathematics 101 and learn
what is the AVERAGE failure rate when a survey shows the number of failures
reported for all vehicles was 133 per 100 vehicles LOL
The devil is in the details Charles. The word "failure" is where Mike tends
to leverage his position. His leaky intake gaskets didn't cause him to be
stranded without a car, so it wasn't a failure. Likewise with the wheel
bearings that wore out in less than 40,000 miles. Or the heater control
resistor pack. He either drives through the problems, never having them
fixed, or he gets rid of the car and lets the new owner deal with it. He's
already told us how many cars he's owned and how often he turns them over so
it only stands to reason that he's never "experienced" the "failures".
What make you believe the 2% failure rate is my opinion? What would make
you think it applies to every single copy of any model? It is the RATE of
failures, per hundred vehicles, as indicated in most every survey reported
in automotive industry publications Those that take surveys never
quantify problems in any event. If one wants to know the severity of type
of the failures you need to pay them a fee to get that detailed information.
The majority of my vehicles are 'turned over,' as you call it, to members of
my family or sold to friends. Most accumulate a lot of mileage before
they are sold off again.
Are you that slow? ALL Toyotas Matrix, Celica, Prius, Corolla, etc have the
Toyota name on car. "GM" does not appear on their cars, they have the
division name on the car. Ever hear of a GM Malibu or a GM LeSabre?
<clare at snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
It's possible that GM is sells more cars than any other company. Even if
this is true, it's only because they make so many types of cars and
A better carparison would be to compare each GM
model to similar models made by Honda and Toyota
For example--compare the 4 door Civic to a 4 door GM car that is almost
identical to the 4 door Civic. Be honest--do you think the GM car is
superior to the Civic? Also, if you compare the sales figures--do you
think the GM car or the Civic would win that contest?
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My response was to the statement that Toyota and Honda makes better cars.
What I said was that was not reflected in the sales numbers, since GM sells
more cars than Toyota and Honda. GM still sells more cars than anybody.
Many people believe what they see in ads. Toyota is advertising they are
the number one car brand, that is true but Chevrolet is the number one BRAND
name, that includes cars and trucks since American have been buying more
trucks than cars for the past five years. Ford is the number two BRAND
name. Toyotas growth over the past five years, like every other
manufacture, has been in trucks and SUVs sales in Toyota and Lexus and the
addition of Scion. Camry sales were actually down in 2005.
I'm simply trying to set the record straight. Toyota is advertising they
have been the number one car in the US, that is true but GM, Ford and
Chrysler have individual vehicles that sell in far greater numbers. When it
come to who sells what in the US GM is number one, Ford number two, Chrysler
number three and Toyota and Honda a distant fourth and fifth. Toyota Motor
(Sales) Company sold only around 11% of the 16,500,000 vehicles sold in the
US in 2005. Honda less than 8% The ultimate indicator of who makes the
best, among its pears in any segment, is the total annual sales period.
DC sold 2,304,833 vehicles in 2005
Toyota sold 2,260,296 vehicles in 2005
Doesn't look like a "distant" fourth to me.
Not that it matters. Honda is making lots of money. Toyota is poised
to take over as the biggest vehicle maker in the world. DC, well
that's really a German company now so it is hard to see why it is even
considered part of the Big 3. It will be even harder when Toyota
passes it in sales next year.
For now, GM and Ford are losing money on every car they sell but
making it up on volume. Five years from now you may barely recognize
The US market in 2005 was 16,500,000 and Chrysler had 2% more of the market
than Toyota according to the Commerce Department figures.
Perhaps you are wasting you time hanging out in the NGs, you should by
buying lottery tickets and stocks or better yet get into the commodities
market with all of your insight. LOL
Here is my source. Where is yours?
DC sold about 2% more cars than Toyota last year (2,304,833 vs
2,260,296) but their market share was virtually identical.
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