GM Wants China to Help Promote New Car
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> November 18, 2003 01:01 PM EST
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> BEIJING - General Motors Corp. is trying to enlist the Chinese
> government in promoting cars that run on hydrogen fuel cells instead
> of gasoline, in hopes the nation's potentially huge market might
> generate enough sales to make the new technology profitable.
It's a waste. Perhaps the Chinese intend to produce hydrogen from hydroelectricity, but it remains very awkward to distribute, dispense and store.
Fuel cells may have a future in cars, but only in closed-cycle form as battery replacements in hybrids.
Much more likely to be coal gassification, hopefully with mineral sequestration of the CO2.
It has a reasonable storage and range, not all that awkward, and many developments are expected in that field. It also should be pointed out that the Chinese don't have the 'traditions of waste' that drive opposition to lightweight or short range vehicles.
So you pontificate. As an opinion it is worth what we paid for it.
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This is an interesting process because it can even be done 'in situ' (no mining) or use biomass. The reaction C + H2O(g) -> H2 + CO is endothermic so air is required to maintain combustion. Additional heat is required to generate superheated steam. A cryogenic plant would be required to separate the various product gases in order to obtain pure H2 for urban auto use. The only safe way to dispose of the large quantities of CO would be to burn it and to recapture the heat generated.
CO2 is of value to oil producers. It could be injected into old oil wells for enhanced oil production. CO2 can also be used in greenhouses to accelerate plant growth.
After over a 14 month absence from sci.environment (and all of usenet, for that matter), Scott Nudds has apparently returned.
The poster who is going by the nom d'Usenet "Vendicar Decarian" is, in fact, Scott Nudds. The IP address used by "Vendicar Decarian" is 24.150.149.131. The last known e-mails posted by Scott Nudds were under his e-mail address "S snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com" and pseudonym "Scott Douglas". The IP address of S snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com was 24.150.149.131. Both were using Cogeco.ca accounts.
Conclusion: "Vendicar Decarian" is really Scott Nudds.
Proof follows:
Headers of Recent Post by "Vendicar Decarian":
From: "Vendicar Decarian" Newsgroups: alt.politics.greens,alt.politics,sci.environment,talk.environment,alt.global-warming References: Subject: Re: Latest Arctic Sea Ice and Snow Cover Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 02:42:52 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.150.149.131 X-Complaints-To: snipped-for-privacy@cogeco.ca X-Trace: read2.cgocable.net 1069659435 24.150.149.131 (Mon, 24 Nov 2003 02:37:15 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 02:37:15 EST Organization: Cogeco Cable
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Good for you. Bicycles are much healthier. It will be interesting to see what your opinon is after the decline in cheap oil forces most everyone else over to hydrogen powered cars.
Gasoline, diesel, propane, hybrid, natural gas, solar, or build your own. Stanley Steamers were very popular until oil became plentiful. Your choices are not limited by "the Energy Industry."
In news:vsKwb.1501$ snipped-for-privacy@read1.cgocable.net, Vendicar Decarian being of bellicose mind posted:
Busywork. Name the cost effective plastic that can be economically formed into a conventional exhaust manifold shape .... one that will withstand many many thermal cycles to 1200 degrees.
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