there nis no good help here at all

The name of the group ain't 'help with BMW faults or problems'... You'd do better to find a group specific to your model - usually a Yahoo, etc group.

I don't know your particular model, but most systems have a switch which parks the wipers in the correct position - usually driven off a cam on the motor gearbox. The feed to this is not controlled by the main wiper switch but usually live while the ignition is on. If this feed isn't present - or the parking switch or mechanics faulty - the wipers will park just where the mains switch stops supplying the volts. Checking with a DVM should show whether the feed is present - if it is it would be a question of removing the motor and checking the internal switch, etc.

I've seen this problem before. What you need to do is wad a lot of screwed up newspaper up against the firewall, put a match to it and then close the hood. This may seem like strange advice to you, but you get what you pay for. This actually works, and the heat will free up the stiff linkage in the second arm of the toggle sprocket (which is what is causing the problem) and you won't have any more problems with it.

Trust me.

It's not a site, it's a Usenet group. And it's patently obvious that there are hardly any posters here anyway, so why keep trying?

Newsgroups are dead. Everyone's on the web forums.

You forgot an important step - soaking the newspaper with gasoline (at least

Tom

Well actually you have posted over 20 within the 'memory' of my reader about a load of different cars - so perhaps you are a dealer trying to get FoC diagnosis.

Run the wipers and pull the ignition key when they are at the bottom.

Otherwise whatever the sensor is has twisted around the shaft.

Sad but true...

The wiper motor has a sensor inside that tells it where Home Position is. Your motor has lost track of home position.

You can replace the motor, or you can open the motor and try to fix it. OR you can turn the wipers on, let them run a swipe or two, then turn the key off when the wiper position is at the proper home, then see if they will remain in that home position when you operate the wiper control switch.

You can lift the wipers off of the glass if you want.

Turn the key ON Turn the wipers ON When the wipers move to home, turn the key OFF Turn the wipers OFF Turn the key ON and see if the wipers remain at home. IF YES Always turn the wipers OFF before turning the key OFF

IF NO Replace the wiper motor.

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There are any number of mechanical reasons why the wipers stop in the wrong place, you should be able to easily find the one that is making your life Hell as you go after the wiper motor. As I said above, there is an electrical reason too.

This isn't a help site about BMW. This isn't a site at all, and it's not for help. This is a Usenet discussion group.

No, it wouldn't be. It could be a lot of different things including the position sensor on the motor or the magic box that controls the motor. This is an example of the kind of excessive electronic creeping featurism that has been discussed onm another thread.

--scott

Actually, I'm with you there. A lot of the forums, particularly the US ones, are hell bent on filling the screen with endless clutter making actually seeing some sort of message almost impossible.

I quite like bmwland.co.uk for its layout. The footers and avatars are minimal and the colour scheme quite restful!

I'm not sure that sentiment is accurate. If one is inclined to be an idiot, they are not going to care that they are an idiot in a forum or on a newsgroup.

Personally, I prefer the text-based presentation of the newsgroup over the Web-based HTML presentation of a forum.

Text-based gets my vote ...