The Lesabre will be 5 years in May '07 I bought it used 1.8 years ago
with 18000 miles now it has 31000 miles on it, yesterday I heard a
squeak from the brakes and think "yea it's time to have some things
done" took it to the shop today for a radiator flush, change of brake
fluid and new brake shoes. They say that I still have 50% of my front
brakes and 65% of my rear brake shoes left so that a brake job is
unnecessary, So I get it home and start looking under the hood, the
fluid in the radiator is kinda yellowish, the fluid in the overflow
tank is Dex-cool red. I called the shop and expressed my concern and
yep the guy says that there was a mistake,(Hibdon's uses something
other than Dex cool) and I should bring it back in and there will be
no waiting. Now I'm thinking that since they messed up on something as
simple as a flush how sure can I be about the other services they did?
If in 6 months the gaskets blow is it related to this? can I be sure
if they did chage the brake fluid? and are my brake shoes in the shape
that they say? also because I have to hire a nurse to sit with an
elderly parent should I ask for compensation? how worried should I be
about the gaskets? Ideas or suggestions please.
GO5 coolant is yellow. Nothing wrong with using GO5 coolant.
Some of the other universal hybrid coolants are yellow also.
Probably work as good or better than Dexcool.
(not that Dexcool is all that bad to begin with)
Like dump the Dexcool in the overflow and re-fill it with what
they have in the radiator...
In your post, you've misspelled "LeSabre", "yeah" and "change",
How can I (we) be sure you're not making all of this up?
The gaskets aren't going to blow because of the coolant they used.
The upper intake manifold and lower intake manifold gaskets will
fail all by themselves just like they do on millions of other
cars that use the same engine as your LeSabre.
I've had yellow (GO5) coolant in my truck for over 4 years and
there have been no problems.
Nope, you can't be sure of anything, including tomorrow.
Can't see 'em from here. But gee, would they make more money by
selling you brakes that you didn't need, by selling you brakes
you did need or by not selling you brakes you didn't need?
You can ask for anything you can think of. They are under no
legal obligation to compensate you for anything, unless of course
you honestly believe that they are responsible for the aging of
your parent, the fact that he/she can't be left alone or the
31000 miles accumulated on your car or its having aged 5 years.
As a regular scheduled maintenance? I see no point unless you have moisture
in the system or dirty fluid. Maybe I am wrong. Ian you are a GM service
technician correct? Or so I gathered from previous posts. If this should be
regular maintenance & of the utmost importance why then is it not listed in
the owners manual?
Returned the LeSabre to the shop today, and politely explained my
worries, they were willing to drain and flush the radiator again and
refill with with dex cool, but they did suggest that only the stuff in
the overflow needed to be replaced. I agreed to this, but explained
that I was going to buy a battery from them today and that it would be
nice if they would comp me the 1/2 hour labor charge for installing
it, no problem! So when I pick the car up the manager tells me that
they replaced the fluid in the overflow, but that it still looked red
because the dex cool had stained the reservior. 2 months from now when
I break down and replace the tyres (will insist on new air) I will
return to that shop.Thanks Cuda69 for your poignant advice you were on
That's what I suspected. You might want to check the owners
manual on something like an Aveo.
The point is, there are other GM vehicles that do include changing
the brake fluid. Can you tell me what difference there is between
your 99 GP's brake system and the brake fluid that it uses and
any other vehicle that "does" include changing brake fluid (you can
also reference other manufactures, some euro cars require this too).
You certainly are under no obligation to change the brake fluid
on your car. But to compare the merits of changing brake fluid to
the idea of changing the air in your tires is a bit much.
I see first hand every day what brake fluid does within a couple
of years. It's not pretty.
Brake fluid is Hygroscopic, meaning it readily absorbs water molecules
(moisture in the air). Every time the master cylinder is opened for
inspection, the brake fluid is exposed to moisture in the air. A poor
seal on a can/bottle of stored brake fluid has the same exposure.
Wonder why a master-cylinder rusts? Moisture on the exterior....but,
it's the same for the interior. Water molecules in brake fluid lower
the boiling point of the fluid and lessen the fluids ability to exert
pressure. The same rusting is happening inside the system on all the
steel pieces. That rust gets to seals and 'grinds' away at them....
seal failure. Bad news for braking ability when you might need brakes.
Why changing brake fluid isn't on the maintenance schedule is curious.
Changing brake fluid is cheap insurance and probably should be done
every 3 to 5yrs, IMO anyway.....
My previous statement about the Teves systems perhaps needs a little
clarification, and a little
apology for using the word 'stupid'.
The Teves system was used on the GM Reatta and some other applications, as
well as the
Thunderbird by Ford, etc.
It is an excellent system in many respects but is VERY expensive. A new
master cylinder costs
about $1800 for my car.
If you dont change the fluid, about every two years is the suggestion of the
Buick Reatta Club,
you are likely to lose the cylinder, sooner or later.
In less expensive systems, a master cylinder might only cost you a hundred
bucks or so, but
a failure in a braking system can cost you your life. Bad economics, when a
few bucks worth
of brake fluid and a few minutes to flush the system can help prevent the
Again, sorry for using the word "stupid'.
Which is why most Asian and European brands included brake fluid changes
on the maint. schedule ever 2-3 years. The US brands don't put in on
the schedule, apparently in order to lower perceived maintenance costs
or to improve sales of master cylinders, calipers, ABS controllers and
wheel cylinders down the road.
I think that this is exactly what is going on! The US manufacturers
are trying to sell the public on the notion that you never need to
do any maintenance on your vehicle. Now that they have these
extended drivetrain warranties...I fully expect to see the the fallout
of this type of thinking.
We keep hearing rumours of GM trying to develop a vehicle that
will not need an oil change for 30K klms. Can you imagine? This
would be a vehicle that would never need to darken the door of
a dealership but once...on it's way to the 60K klm warranty cutoff.
For the customer that leases....this all makes good sense. Drive your
car for 3 years, do nothing to it...and trade it in on a new one. That's
exactly what I would do! Throw away car!
I was once told that the reason that the US mfgrs. didn't recommend
regular fluid changes was that their tests had shown that over 10 years,
the brake fluid did not absorb enough moisture to be unusable. They
felt that the small but real possibility of pushing debris (pieces of
worn rubber seals, small rust particles, etc.) into the ABS control
valves due to flushing was more likely than a brake system failure due
to degraded fluid and/or corrosion in the first ten years, which is all
the longer they really expected the vehicle to be on the road.
Now I wish I could remember if I got that from an actual engineer, or
just read it in a magazine somewhere. I wish I could tell you.
Anyway, IMHO if you plan on keeping your vehicle longer than ten years,
a brake fluid flush is in order, because what the mfgrs don't tell you
when they explain as above, is that not flushing your fluid for ten
years is a good way to end up with a completely worthless brake system
that will cost more than the book value of your vehicle to replace at
about 13-15 years. I vote for flushing, every time.
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
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