Do you think that the team with the lower score in the first quarter
is winning? Do you think that the company that sold fewer cars in the
first quarter "still sells more cars" than the one that sold more?
At best, GM is about tied with Toyota. Everyone knows that Toyota is
going to pass GM. It looks like it will be this year, but if not then
it will be next year. It is entirely possible that there will never
be another quarter where GM outsells Toyota.
The is true but largest market in the world in the US market, Europe is
second. GM outsells Toyota in the US by huge numbers and Toyota is not even
a close third in Europe, where they do not have the state and local
government subsidies, or the huge federal tax advantage, they have here in
If the Michigan 3 were to open new plants, they would get state and
local government subsidies, too.
Actually, if they don't pay taxes in the US, Toyota and Honda have to
pay a higher federal tax rate in Japan. The Toyota and Honda subsidies
are US companies (even though they are fully own by a foreign company)
and have to pay US, state and local taxes, just like any other US company.
If I am incorrect, please prove it, just like you proved that the first
digit of the VIN has to do with US content.
Yeap, the US tax rate is lower than the Japanese tax rate.
The sad aspect of Mikes' posts is that there is a great deal of truth in
many of them. His blind loyalty to American producers does have the effect
of making everything he posts appear foolish.
Yes there are differences in the philosophical approach to the design, and
execution of the production of autos by American, and the different non
I have NO LOYALTY to any brand or manufacturer. I am only concerned about
how well a vehicle meets my needs, wants, and desires. Having owned cars and
trucks new and used for over 40 years, I can say that while all manufactures
have produced great cars and total pieces of crap by the standards of the
time they were made, IMHO, TODAY, there is only an insignificant difference
in comparable cars produced by whom ever.
My current vehicles are 03 X-Type Jaguar, 01 GMC Jimmy SLE , just unloaded a
92 Taurus and about to pick up a Toyota Solara Convertible.
The vehement hostile attitude expressed by so many here against the
different manufacturers does not make sense to me. I can understand
despising a dealer for the way they conduct the service and sales
department. Yes no matter who the manufacturer is some, poorly produced cars
will come off the assembly line.
My biggest bitch about cars are poor ergonomics, and cheesy interior
materials that look like crap. As far as reliability goes IMHO they are all
within acceptable tolerances.
Not so, they are not MUCH greater but rather closely bunched together. If
you look at all of the surveys of owners problems, not as the 'list' that
they are presented, but as the percentages they actually represent, you will
discover they ALL have a failure rate of around 2%. 2% is the average
failure rate for all industries, that is why ALL products offer a warranty.
The question one should ask is, do I really want to spend 20% to 30% more to
buy a particular brand in the hope I will NOT get one of THEIR 2% that are
Any brand one buys new today will easily run well over 100K or more before
needing a major repair. One should therefore compare shop rates, part
prices and the availability of parts, if they plan to keep a vehicle longer
than the US average new cars buyers regimen of three to four years, or 60 to
80K on the clock before they buy another new car, since all manufactures
today warrant their cars drive train for longer than the average trade
time/mileage that buyers keep their cars
Since I switched for Lexus to domestics in 1999, I have saved thousands when
buying another new car and hundreds annually on the prices I pay to have
them serviced at the dealerships
After my ten years is the fleet service business that serviced thousands of
vehicles every month of just about every brand, I can tell you our years of
record show there is no
significant difference from one brand to another. Every manufacturer is
making great vehicles today. The only real difference is style and price.
After a dozen Toyotas and Lexus, I personally no longer buy imports because
they simply cost too much more than the domestics I now buy. I do not own a
Toyota should be worried more about the Koreans than the US manufactures.
They are the ones that compete with Toyota in more of the worlds growing
markets. They are building great cars that sell for thousand less in those
Mike, I'm in Australia and in my humble opinion Korean-made cars are crap,
particularly the Daewoo models that are going under the GM badge.
Unless you're getting a different build Korean car in the US then I suspect
you may be smoking something.
He's actually a resident Toyota NG troll who lives in his own little fantasy
land. He does not help the cause of promoting domestic cars. He's the
worst enemy in that regard, because he never has facts to back up his
Hell, he doesn't even bother to chime in when we *do* praise certain
domestic vehicles. He only shows up to try to discredit any praise we have
of Toyotas, or amplify any problems we may have (and yes, Toyotas have
problems that we're not blind to).
If you want a more reasonable discussion regarding domestic vs. foreign
vehicles, I suggest other posters. This one will never admit he's wrong
about anything. Ever.
You are entitle to you own opinion but your statements are not factual. I
have always said Toyota make great cars. I have also said, from what I've
seen in my many years in the business, every other manufacturer today is
making great cars as well. If pointing out that Toyota have problem on
occasion make me a troll in you mind them I'm a troll but the fact is EVERY
manufacturer makes some that are not up to snuff on occasion, the average
for all manufactures including Toyota and Honda is around 2%, that is why
they all offer a warranty, even Rolls Royce. You in the Toyota and Honda
NGs, who cross post to domestic brands NGs to denigrate their vehicles, and
praise those you buy, are the real trolls.
Our records over the years show the only real difference is style and price.
I never suggest to anybody that the buy a particular brand, domestic or
foreign, but rather that they drive ALL those that suit their needs, get a
total drive home price for each and buy the ONE that suits their budget.
I do not own a GM vehicle and I personally no longer buy Toyotas or Lexus
because my purchasing experiences proved to me after around a dozen of their
vehicles, that Toyota and it dealers over price their vehicles and their
service and many of their models are
not only overpriced but underpowered compared to others in the market
place. If others choose Toyota, that their choice, I could not care less.
Mike, your comments about how Toyotas retain a smaller percentage of the
value of Fords shows that you make lots of non-factual statements. Or
the one that the 200 cc engine that ford makes is bigger than the 1.8
liter engine that Toyota makes (ford makes a 2000 cc engine, not 200 cc
- unless they make small ones for their tractors). In addition, you said
that Ford's Focus with the bigger engine is more fuel efficient than the
1.8 liter engine that Toyota makes, even though Ford's own comparison
chart shows that is not the case and that the Honda Civic has an 1.8
liter engine that gets better mileage and has more power.
Gordon's comments are not a personal attack. Gordon's comments are a
statement of opinion, one that is supported by your comments.
Mike, you stick your foot in your mouth way too much, especially when it
is so easy for one (i.e., you) to verify one's (i.e., your) facts before
stating them, and just as easy for others (e.g., me or anyone else with
a working brain and internet connection) to verify them (or show that
they are wrong).
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