Ford Workers Reject Contract changes

Ceasar was the leader in Rome, now where is he? Companies like people age. GM has plenty of old age rot inside and it is dying. GM is about the same difficulty as resurecting the dead. May god help them. But forgive me if I don't hold my breath. Those loans will never be repaid and any MBA dork knows you don't sink good money into bad.

GM: Tick-Tock.

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Canuck57
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Of course they do. I said so too jack ass.

Trouble was US management was too busy pandering to unions and their own corruption, they forgot to re-invest in their own companies. And NA unions don't give a rats dead ass about the companies they work for. The company is just for what they can milk out of it, just like management.

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Canuck57

Firing somone who's involved in a legal strike is a violation of US labor law.

And Ford would go out of business even faster than it's doing now.

The fact that the current administration is bought and paid for by big labor wouldn't help Ford's cause much either.

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Bert Hyman

Yeah, too bad they have to work 3 jobs to be able to do so.

Reply to
Dave

But Toyota has been gaining market share and GM has been losing market share for years. Just look at the pattern.

Reply to
Ed Pawlowski

A lockout is not. Then fire them first.

No, import them. Use the business model RCA, HP, Intel, Microsoft, Snap-on, Sears, Masterlock and many others do. Make it offshore and import the product. Slap a Ford logo on it an go.

And 98% of the rest of Amerca should be mad as all hell. They got sold out by every Lib-Dim, including Obama. Even many a Republican supported this massivve conspiracy to fraud the US taxpayer.

Head should roll for this kind of money. SEC should be lining them up like the Italy mafia trials.

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Canuck57

The Ford/UAW contract has not expired, there is a re-opening clause that allows either side to request early talks, before the contract expires to AVOID a strike, dummy

What makes you believe the assembly line is filled with uneducated, low-skilled workers?

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Mike Hunter

Once again you prove you have no idea what you are talking about! US labor law does not allow striking union workers to be fired, if the contract has expired. The Union is still recognized, under labor law, as the bargaining agent for the workers. In any event ALL UAW contracts have a no strike clause in effect during the term of the contract, dummy.

That is what got the Air Traffic Control Worker fired by President Reagan, they went on strike in violation of their ongoing contract.

If the Union members vote to not accept the terms of a new contract they continue to work under the terms of the old contract, if management agrees, for a specified time or until the contract is replaced.

My techs were members of the Machinists Union and the ONLY power granted in any union, under any contract, under US labor law is the power to force management to abide by the contract it signed with the Union, period

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Mike Hunter

IMPORT THEM?? Tell us, what color is the sky in YOUR world?

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Mike Hunter

But, but, but, that is what you have been saying over and over again ever since you came into the NG but GM still out sells Toyota in the US. Apparently your opinion is still that of a minority, dummy. LOL

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Mike Hunter

They forgot to re-invest in their own companies? What part of, "EPA regulations were eating up most of their capital to clean up the WW1 equipment they were using. Bethlehem Steel Company alone spent a half BILLON dollars in 1974, on non-productive equipment required by the EPA. That wasted money caused BSCO a delay of ten years in building its first BOF," did you not understand?

The money they were forced to re-invest in their own companies was in none productive equipment, dummy

Once again I must ask you to please tell us, exactly in your mind, the corruption to which you are referring?

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Mike Hunter

What's your point, Toyota is also loosing money and it has the advantage of not paying US Corporate Income taxes on the profits it earns in the US, as well as being supported by the Japanese government, ever since WWII LOL

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Mike Hunter

Right now it is cold and black.

I will not buy a CAW/UAW made auto. In fact, I don't even want their parts. Best way to beat that is to buy a true import not make here. I got a glimpse of the GM prices for new autos, what a screw job, absolutely insane pricing.

GM should run an advert, "Support Government Motors, we need your cash and will stop at nothing to get it.".

Reply to
Canuck57

Simple. Tell them the day the contract is over, it is over. No severance needed. Minimum to get rid of the losers. Start making the replacements offshore.

Or move Ford USA into a holding company, declare Ford USA subsiduary bankrupt, close the doors and the parent Ford World lives on.

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Canuck57

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Canuck57

The point is, you keep stating that GM outsell every other car maker. That maybe true today, but it is not for much longer. GM has been losing market share for some time and the trend is not changing. They are not making money. Something radical has to be done or they will be gone. Toyota my be a big grabber, but so are many other brands taking away from GM.

I used to be a loyal GM buyer. Not any more, they've lost my trust. Many people feel the same way.

Reply to
Ed Pawlowski

But, but, but how does your opinion square what the fact that industry statistics show that GM vehicles are 20% to 30% LESS expensive to drive home, than Jap vehicles of the same size, when similarly equipped, dummy? LOL

Reply to
Mike Hunter

But, but, but that would be a violation of the US labor laws, dummy. Don't you ever do a search before you choose to speak on subjects of which you obviously have little or no knowledge? LOL

Reply to
Mike Hunter

That may be your opinion but it does not make sense. Obviously that is not the opinion of those that still buy GM vehicles. That is WHY GM is still number one in sales, more buyers still chose GM over every other.

It was not that many years ago that the soothsayer were predicting Ford, that at the time was selling seven of the top ten selling vehicles in the US, would soon out sell GM but that has yet to happen... Toyota has to first catch up to Fords US sales, before it can catch GM. LOL

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Mike Hunter

I'm not offering an opinion. I'm talking about fact. GM cars have been losing market share for many years. To many other makes, not just Toyota. Some decades ago, GM had 41% of the US car market. Just look at the trend. If not stopped, GM will just fade away at some point.

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wasn't all that long ago that GM was focused on maintaining its 29 percent market share. Boy what they wouldn't sell give to be back at that point right now (not including executive pay). Automotive News [sub] reporting that GM's market share is below 20 percent for the first time in the company's history (dating back 100 years to 1908). As of May 2008, it's 19.1 percent to be exact. Meanwhile, despite a fall in sales number, Toyota's market share jumped up to 18.4 percent. Count out the impossible-to-count out fleet sales and you can be sure Toyota has passed GM in private market sales. On the positive side, least when GM isn't number one in its home market any more, a lot of the pressure to move the metal at all costs will decrease. Maybe. Alright, no.

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- GM market share grows to 41 percent.1979 - GM's U.S. employment peaks at 618,365, making it the largest private employer in the country. Worldwide employment is 853,000. Decade features sales decline, recession, Arab oil embargo and gains by Japanese automakers.

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Ed Pawlowski

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