As you should well know, fleet use and private use are two different
animals. Someone with a fleet car doesn't care about it as long as it
is still functional and safe to drive. However, they would never put
up with the junky feel and increased NVH of worn components in their
own personal cars. Thus a cheaply made car will cost a private owner
much more over the long term than a well built one, unless the owner
*acts* like a fleet manager and trades it in every couple years.
Mike Hunter wrote:
You have no idea what you are talking about. Fleet buyers do a far better
job of maintaining their vehicles than the average owner. How may owners
do you know that do things like changes brake fluid, do pressure tests
monthly, take off door panels to lubricate window actuators, take apart and
clean electrical connectors etc?
To a corporate fleet a vehicle is a 'tool' needed to run their business.
Down time costs money. They generally keep them in service for five years
or 300K WOF, because of federal deprecation tax laws. Many keep them even
longer. To government fleets, maintenance is primary as well. To a police
officer his patrol car is as important as his weapon, it has to work
properly or it could cost him his life One state police department that we
serviced, has Jeeps Cherokees from the eighties, with over 200k on the clock
and still in tip top shape, in use in mountainous parts of the state.
The only high volume buyers that don't care about their cars are most of the
rental car companies. Top fluids and get it back on the road. The
difference is to a rental car company vehicles are NOT a tool, but their
product that they get rid off in a year or less.
I do that, and I try to remind those that I care about to do that as
well. Not done on fleet vehicles IME.
Nobody does that, not even the fleet managers. I should know, having a
fleet car. Well, I do, when I have to, on my own cars.
Not true; I turn in my car at 70K miles, I think the service trucks are
kept a little longer but not much, maybe 100K or so.
That's the exception not the rule.
IME the fleet services treat the cars exactly like rental cars. When
they are turned in at 70K miles they are just about smack wore out
(well at least the Impalas the company that services the company that I
work for uses are!) Before I got my company car, I drove my
predecessor's car for a few days that was actually over the 70K cutoff.
Aside from the ludicrously loud noises from under the hood, the
shimmy, and the disconcerting creaks and clunks from the front end, it
was just fine. I would find this totally unacceptable in a personal
You must have missed the part of my post that said; 'an opinion based on
your particular experience.' The facts, as I know them from serving
thousands of corporate and government fleets in six states, are quite
different. You are entitled to you own opinion, based on your personal
experience with ONE vehicle in ONE fleet, but not your own facts pertaining
to fleets in general ;)
Ford is lucky it never sold the Pinto (or much else) in Japan. The
Japanese government takes public safety very seriously and they don't
mind making an example out of any corporation/executive who puts it at
The Toyota recalls are world-wide. World-wide, Toyota sells more cars
than Ford. Also, the Ford recall is a continuation from last year
when they recalled over six million trucks for the same problem.
Obviously you prefer to believe only those things you chose to believe, and
will not change, even though Ford was exonerated in all three instances.
Search the NHTSA and the Congressional Record for the facts, WBMA. ;)
How do you feel about projections? Based on projected sales released
by each company at the beginning of the year, Toyota is expected to
surpass GM in total worldwide sales in 2006. I don't know for sure,
but I am betting that Toyota is doing at least as well as GM at
hitting their sales targets so far this year.
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