Novak Adapters-Liar, Liar, Pants On Fire!

Novak Adapters shit out:

Diesel Engines >Diesel engines are a great idea for Jeep swaps. However, they seldom

materialize successfully past the idea stage. The lack of good, light-duty domestic diesel engines makes these swaps a discouragingly difficult process. Foreign diesels are usually quite advanced, but are difficult to find and maintain. If you do manage to install one of these, US diesel fuels are less refined and have a higher sulphur content than foreign purposed fuel, and generally incompatible with foreign designed and produced injectors.

If you are considering a diesel engine for the sake of novelty, you

may find that it requires more commitment and cash than novelty is worth. If you are seeking them for fuel economy or efficiency, you may consider a modern, clean burning fuel-injected gas engine.

Does it have to be spelled out in detail what a crock this all is?

Novak just wants to get you to buy a kit to put in a Chevy like every other monkey see monkey do idiot out there. That way they sell more product with no more work. Bottom line they are lazy. Or the family is controlled by a semi-violent eighty year old patriarch/capo who had a bad time in WWII and is sporting a stiff for the Japs or Krauts after all these decades and the kids kiss his ass. I don't know.

Think about the above. Cummins, Cat, and DDA decided in the forties and fifties to build big diesel engines and leave the sizable market for small diesels to importers, because being built primarily for automotive applications, Mercedes Benz, Nissan, Isuzu, and Mitsubishi could sell industrial derivatives of their AUTOMOTIVE diesels cheaper than DDA/Cummins/Cat could build them. They found widespread use in gensets, Thermo King and Carrier reefer units, small tractors, farm equipment, Vermeer trenchers, and-because there is a secret huge stash of perfectly good diesel fuel all over them,it's just marked "JP-5/Jet-A"-airport ramp equipment of every imaginable type. You have to be one blind magoo not to see them every day. This was actually a good business decision. It does mean all the small diesels are "foreign". If you are, as Novak appears to be, on a religious crusade against imported products, stop reading now.

If American diesel fuel was no good for all these foreign diesel engines, why have they been running fine on it for forty-five to fifty years? Why has no injection or pump shop ever heard of this?

Gas fuel injected engines will never equal the BSFC figures of diesels, because their compression ratios are still those of gasoline engines, and worse, they run at full effective compression only at wide open throttle. Gasoline engines throttle the air supply and regulate fuel to the air used. Diesel engines receive the full air charge at all speeds and power settings.This means a diesel has a much flatter fuel efficiency curve because diesel engines are efficient from just over idle power (not RPM) to just short of full rack whereas for a given gasoline engine-its compression ratio,fuel used, cam timing, and thermal limits on its pistons, cylinder head structure,valve heads, and spark plugs-peak efficiency is achieved at only one thermally limited power setting and the curve is asymetric, but down from there. Above that power setting fuel mixtures must be substantially under or over stochiometric or the engine will suffer heat failure. Usually over is chosen, which complicates emission control as well. Put bluntly, given reasonable gearing choices, you will always get better fuel mileage from a diesel. The less smooth you are as a driver-or the rougher the terrain or traffic-the bigger the delta. (And I drive like a jackrabbit to be honest.)

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Cal Cerise
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There are other reasons for diesel fuel economy. Each gallon of diesel fuel contains more BTU's of heat than does a gallon of gasoline, and as well, diesel fuel costs less in most countries. This is because the primary demand for fuel is gasoline, and while the proportions can be adjusted with catalytic cracking, you get a certain amount of diesel fuel when you make gasoline whether you want it or not.

If you're going to run a small diesel on jet fuel, you'd better add lubricant or replace the injection pump with a hardened, oil-lubricated type or the pump _may_ fail. This is especially true of kerosene. Pure kerosene (K-1) WILL kill most pumps. Jet-A has a lubricity spec (which is why burning jet fuel in unvented kerosene heaters is liable to smoke out the house) but it is not as high as diesel fuel. Jet-A may or may not exceed this spec, because sometimes the same fuel is sold as Jet-A and #1 Diesel, and even as home heating oil. Many people out east run (prechamber) Mercedes diesels on heating oil, and if you do your own work the shortened injector life usuallly doesn't quite offset the fuel savings.

Another consideration is that all reasonable small vehicle diesels are turbocharged today, which means you have plumbing issues to consider. Engine swaps on turbo engines may involve repositioning the turbo, fabricating stainless exhaust sections, and installing heat shields under the hood. Modern engines usually are aftercooled, which means a lot of pipes. My guess is Novak knows this and figures, based on his experience, that a lot of his customers are dumbfuck rednecks and he doesn't want to burp and change and feed them via phone. If he sells them a Chevy kit, he can let their Uncle Cletus clean up the mess and feign ignorance.

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Ted Azito

I hate to burst your bubble, but the quality of diesel fuel in the US is remarkably poor compared to, pretty much, the rest of the world. So those really awesome highly engineered diesel engines sold for the European market will not run as well as they are intended, and they have significantly more internal deposits and degradation than had they been run with the quality fuel they were designed for. That is not to say, at all, that they will be a poor investment.

Also, diesel engines have historically been heavier than gasoline engines. This has changed dramatically with better technology, so they may be close to, or the same weight as a gasoline engine. But without the quality of fuel they were designed for, don't expect the same performance or longevity as what they get over in Europe. They may (I don't know) get better gas mileage even with poorer quality fuel over here.

And third, to answer the assinine response to your post, live and let live. Some people like V8's, and love working on them. It's easy to find parts, stroke them, etc, and they are readily available. Nobody has a right to tell you the way you build your Jeep is wrong, and it's childish and obnoxious to lay a blanket stereotype of anyone who thinks differently than you as a drunken, high school dropout redneck. Most of those people you just slammed have far more civility, dignity, kindness, and helpfulness than you just displayed.

If bad mouthing people makes you feel like a real man, get the hell off this forum.

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Andrew

Lower than _automotive_ fuel sold in the _EU_. ROW means the former Soviet Union, South America, Africa, India, Asia, few of which have ULSD. Most have poorer specs than the US. Japan may have ULSD but Korea,Taiwan, Thailand, the PI definitely don't.

You mean the full-FADEC, common rail engines sold mostly for automotive use, such as VM and BMW and-surprisingly-Fiat. These aren't used for industrial/commercial use anywhere (yet) and are not what he's talking about. He's referring to the engines sold here for fifty years and used in automotive markets up until a few years ago in the EU and still for Second/Third/Fourth World export.

sold for the

They are heavier-but within the weight ,say, a TJ could handle

Nothing wrong with that if that's what you want. He's talking about others.Gas is expensive, diesels are available,for some people a diesel swap is definitely highly desirable. Probably he's a little frustrated.

It's easy to

No one is saying they are.

Some do, some don't. I don't think the first poster meant to say that and I didn't either-I was speculating on what Novak was thinking. You have to admit a certain segment of the market (as with any market), not all, isn't too bright. A manufacturer has to take that into account before plowing new territory, and it's the natural impulse of sales management to steer customers to what is on the shelf now rather than something they might want but which needs R&D.

OTOH Novak is just printing information that isn't so-diesel swaps are possible and the fuel quality thing is a red herring with the kinds of engines most potential swappers intend to use-the kind which would be impacted are not available in the US at this time, and require an ECU and harness (also not available) and which forfeit the prime advantage of diesel-no electrics needed. Novak had to know this and if they put up stuff like that, yes, people are going to get a little bit upset, or think Novak must be stupid.

I guess I'm saying-I know what Novak is doing, but, they are probably using poor judgment in posting information they have to know is not correct.

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Ted Azito

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