In my 2001 GT.
Floor mat hooked over the accelerator, I was on the highway, and
headed straight for an 18 wheeler. I put the brakes on full power,
didn't work, hit the back of the truck. He didn't even know I'd hit
him, he just kept going. I was covered for the minor front bumper
damage by Ford's red carpet lease. The floormats were winter mats
from Can. Tire. which I tossed that day. Problem, I think was that
the peddle was too low to the floor, but I could be wrong.
That's a big ouch! I don't have the same problem, but somewhat
related. I have carpeted floor mats on my 98 Ford Escort that always
slide foreword UNDER the accelerator and brake peddles. Not a good
thing if you need to stomp on the accelerator and there's a floor mat
Yeah, this happened to me once yaers ago while driving a company
vehicle, a 1975 Ford Econoline with a 300 6. I nailed it taking off from
a light and it stuck wide open. Amazingly I didn't hit anyone/thing,
didn't run off the road and I didn't die. I turned off the key, went
under that hood unstuck it, and went on my way. Amazing turn of events
apparently, especially for a 20 year old driver....
I know this is pretty long, but ...
In the early 1970s I bought a 1965 Corvair Corsa convertible. I was so
pleased with it; looked good, sounded great, handled good, felt right
to me. One day I was going down the Ulric hill from Linda Vista to
Mission Valley, nice wide, four-lane road. Top down, sun shining, new
duals sounding fresh. Fresh oil and filter in the engine a few days
earlier. Sweet scene, fine prospects all around. I thought that was a
good time to open it up in third gear, see how it cranked with that
hill to aid and abet it.
Gas pedal to the floor, decibels and speed mounted quickly, and at
about 65 miles per hour I let off the gas. It kept going, flat out
full accelleration! Ack! No panic, reached for the key and turned it
off before putting in the clutch. Coasted to the side of the road and
went back to see what part of the throttle linkage was stuck.
Well, the linkage was stuck, all right. It was jammed open by the
jack. The thing you use to lift the car when a tire change is
necessary outside of the store. It was one of those
swinging-peg-goes-in-a-hole kind popularized by European or British
cars. In standard form it was mounted along the wall of the engine
compartment, with the swinging peg part faced to the fender, away from
the engine. I had not had it out, and whoever had last put it back put
it back with the peg faced toward the engine and set so the peg could
swing out under heavy acceleration. Heavy braking would just confirm
its folded position.
So there it was, swung into a postion it could only reach under full
throttle, by the only force that could swing it there: sudden, hard
accelleration. It will make a good plot device in a murder mystery. I
try to find something good in every circumstance. Silver lining, you
Rich, that's not Toyota's problem at all. Toyota's problem is a faulty
pedal design that over time becomes a serious issue. I feel for all the
Toyota owners who have an older car and pending problem.
Your problem Rich has to do with roaming carpetted matts and I would do
away with them immediately. I took the carpetted matts out of ever new
Ford I have ever bought back to 1996 Mustang GT to currently 2009 Ford
Escape and put heavy rubber matts in that catch everything and do not
roam as much. Plus, I also make a conscious decision to push them back
when I get into my truck each time.
Most if not all new cars have a hook at the back of the driver's side
matt to prevent it from creeping forward, however a lot of people take
the matts out to clean them and forget to hook them back on.
Toyota, Ford, GM, anyone can't be blamed for that.
Toyota has both problems: accelerator pedals that dangle too close to
the floor, allowing floor mats to hold them down, and accelerator
pedals that stick open or are slow to close.
I'm going to put down a marker right here and now that the REALLY BIG
problem is yet to come, and that is a general aversion or phobia or
hysteria -- pick your favorite characterization -- regarding drive by
wire throttles. Floor mats and sticking pedal assemblies do not
explain a lot of the observed incidents. It's not a mechanical
problem, it's electronic. With drive by wire, the accelerator pedal
is merely a potentiometer, sending a variable voltage signal to the
electronic control unit. The ECU tells an electronic actuator to open
and close the throttle. If that actuator is getting a signal to open
the throttle when it shouldn't, that's a big problem. A BIG problem.
And that is exactly what is happening in a large number of these
incidents -- the actuator is getting a signal to open the throttle.
Toyota, the industry at large, and I believe NHTSA and Congress, all
would prefer to ignore this elephant in the room.
But it's not going away. And the coverup will ultimately prove more
damaging than an open approach at de-bugging would do. If the industry
loses credibility, consumer fear increases. I can easily envision a
federal ban on drive by wire, including mandatory retrofits of all
existing vehicles. That result is on the edge of probability -- a
switch which breaks the circuit to the actuator when you apply the
brakes will also solve the problem -- but given the Chicken Little
world we live in, it's not impossible.
I don't know, DbW is also integrated with traction control and vehicle
stability control. They use it for better gas mileage and less wear n
tear on the drive components. It's assimilated like a Borg......
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