Runaway 2009 Lexus ES fiery crash kills family of 4 (2025 Update)

Sep 17, 2009 Last reply: 8 months ago 45 Replies

So watch those mats!



"Toyota said Tuesday it will order all dealers to inspect their cars for mismatched floor mats after a mat was suspected of snagging a gas pedal on a runaway Lexus, ending with a fiery crash that killed four family members in San Diego County.



Toyota Motor Sales, USA Inc. planned to issue an order Wednesday to about 1,400 Toyota and Lexus dealers nationwide to make sure each of their new, used and loaner vehicles had the proper floor mats and that the mats were properly secured, said Brian Lyons, a spokesman for the Torrance-based company.



Customers who are concerned should also make sure they have the proper mats.



"If there's any doubt in their mind about the security and shape of their mat, go ahead and visit the dealer" to have them checked, Lyons said.



California Highway Patrol Officer Mark Saylor, 45, and three others were killed Aug. 28 on State Route 125 in Santee, a town near San Diego. The runaway car was doing more than 120 mph when it hit a sport utility vehicle, launched off an embankment, rolled several times and burst into flames.



The SUV driver was treated for moderate injuries.



In addition to Saylor, who was a 19-year CHP veteran, the crash killed his wife, Cleofe, 45; their daughter, Mahala, 13; and Saylor's brother- in-law, Chris Lastrella, 38.



Lastrella made a 911 call about a minute before the crash to say the vehicle had no brakes and the accelerator was stuck.



The call ends with someone telling people in the car to hold on and pray, followed by a woman's scream.



The family was in a 2009 Lexus ES 350 that was loaned by a dealer while their own vehicle was being serviced.



Investigators with National Highway Traffic Safety Administration have determined that a rubber all-weather floor mat found in the wreckage was a couple of inches longer than the mat that belonged in the vehicle.



That could have snared or covered the accelerator pedal.



"We don't know if the all-weather floor mat was properly secured or not," he said. "We do know that it was a floor mat from a different Lexus."



Lyons said most Toyotas come with carpeted floor mats, but all-weather mats are sold as accessories.



The driver could have put the car in neutral to disengage the engine from the automatic transmission, Lyons said.



The driver also could have turned off the electronically keyed car by holding down the start switch for three seconds, but that could have locked the steering wheel, turned off the headlights and cut power- assist to the brakes, Lyons said.



Lyons said the company had not had any complaints about mismatched floor mats.



In 2007, the company did recall all-weather mats from some of its Lexus ES 350s and Toyota Camrys after complaints that they could slip and trap the accelerator.



However, this crash was unrelated to the mats that were pulled from the market during the recall, Lyons said. "



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Both of our Toyotas came with special floor mats that attach to the floor with hooks, to keep the mats from creeping upward and bunching up around the brake and accelerator pedals. I suspect the Lexuses have similar mat hold-downs.

I put some aftermarket protector mats in both cars (Walmart, but nice looking) and find that one of the sets works fine, doesnt creep, but the other does creep up and is a potential cause of problems.

Word to the wise is to deal with this before you have a problem

Here is a serious problem, if true.

The car should not lock the steering until after Park is selected. If a car starts to go out of control full-throttle, it is a natural instinct (at least for me) to cut power to the engine and deal with the rest of the issues as they come up. If the Ignition has a RUN and LOCK, but no OFF (where the engine is not running, but the steering is not locked), then I see this as a very serious safety flaw.

I had my car suffer a serious engine problem many years ago and I did not have enough towing service to get it home. I set the ignition to off and the transmission ot N, and coasted for something like 7 miles down a two-lane mountain road. If my car had been a Lexus, I would not be able to do that because the steering is locked. The grade was no very steep, just enough to keep the car going. There are lots of safety issues with coasting a car for

7 miles, but hey, young and foolish is often the road to old and wise.

This story strikes me as odd though.

I have very limited experience here, but I have always thought that the brakes on a car should be able to bring a car to a stop, or at least to a more managable speed. I am also baffled by the report that the driver was a CHP officer, but that he could not control the car by selecting N. I'm sure that such an action would in all likelihood be fatal for the engine IF the gas pedal was indeed stuck, but a fatality for the machine is far better than the four fatalities of people.

He *was* going down a mountain. I live nearby and have driven that grade many times.. even lost a master cylinder going down it several years back... very scary... It's a steep downhill coming off a long straight highway ending into a 't' intersection, with a creek bed on the other side. I have a Highlander with a similar engine (270ish HP v6) and have done

110 down that hill with throttle left over. The ES350 has a governed top speed of 131mph.

The car strains and slows a little until the brakes overheat and fade away. I still dont know why he didnt just slip it into nuetral and let the engine scream...(or even if the car would let him..) Very sad situation...

There is a thing called an "Ignition switch." Turn off the ignition switch and the engine stops. This will slow down the car.

Jeff

Shifting to N won't slow you down much - better to go to through the lower gears. Slam it into park when you think you're slow enough...

Slam it into Park? That's not going to do anything, and downshifting a car running at full throttle is not going to slow down anytime soon.

At least with the engine running the power brakes and steering are still working. Your method would probably work too. Scary deal.

I drove (rode) my BMW dead-stick down a mountain road for about 7 miles. Steering was no problem, brake effort was high, but not a problem.

I betcha a dollar that downshifting at full throttle will indeed slow a car down. Try in on your car.

I've had my master cylinder fail on 2 cars. I must be unlucky. One was a Plymouth Caravan and the other was a Chevy Cavalier. luckily, there was a tree nearby to stop the Caravan. The only good thing about that option is that there's no question that you'll come to a stop. :-)

On the Cavalier, I used the handbrake to drive to work. I knew a guy with a jeep that drove with no brakes. He just downshifted when he wanted to slow down, then again, that pig was geared kinda low...

You are confused. I'll go along with that.

The conditions are, the throttle is stuck on full, and the car is doing 100+ mph. What are you gonna do?

I'm gonna stand on the brakes until it's stopped, and select N somewhere along the line. I would give serious consideration to turning the engine off.

I'm not going to consider downshifting because if the engine is going at full throttle, the car is not going to stop because of the power multiplication that happens when the gear ratio is lowered. Indeed, the brakes have a far better chance of overpowering the engine if the transmission is in a higher gear rather than a lower one.

I owned a Jeep that I could not stall if the transmission was in 1st and the transfer case was in LO range. The torque was far greater than the ability of the brakes. I could stall the engine with the brakes in 4th and HI range, but in LO range, I could get out and walk faster than the Jeep would go by itself, but I could not stop it with the brakes without depressing the clutch pedal.

A car that is barrelling down the highway at 100+ mph has very little torque, and the brakes can easily overpower the engine. The problem will become -- as some point -- that the lowered speed will force a downshift that can exceed the braking system. At this point, you should be able to kill the engine and stop the car. You could probably run into something to stop the car and live to tell the story.

I was assuming that the brakes didn't work. If they do work, there's no problem as far as I can see.

The electronically controlled will not allow downshifting if vehicle speed and engine RPM are out of range for a particular gear, although it should come out of overdrive. It will allow shifting into neutral.

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It sure does sound like an internet hoax.

I'm no 100% sure, but with the Lexus style of push button ignition, doesnt the steering lock after the engine shuts down???

Wait - were the brakes inoperable too? Because shifting to neutral and braking normally would have worked just fine.

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The brother in law was on the phone, not the cop.

The steering lock works by the key position, this car does not use a key. The owner has a dongle that is an RFID device that the car recognizes, and enables the START button. When the car is started, the steering unlocks.

The sixty four thousand dollar question is if the steering locks just because the START button is held long enough to kill the engine, but before the car is put into Park. (Does the Lexus ES even have a manual transmission as an option?) There is speculation in the story that the steering locks when the engine is off, which makes sense if the car is parked at the time, but presents a host of problems at 100+ mph.

Shoulda got an E28. You get several minutes of braking with the engine off, courtesy of the nitrogen ball.

--scott

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