Is it Time for GM to upgrade there V6 Engines?

Yeah, but at least one could do it from above. My Bonneville seems to require it to be done from below the car...

I couldn't agree more. The 3800's are great engines.

-- markwb

2001 Bonneville SLE

Disconnecting the upper mount doesn't seem to make the procedure a breeze...

It's not legal...

No. It downshifts as does the Intrigue, but the Intrigue is much quicker overtaking.

No, it woudln't. As I said, it downshifts.

I could use the supercharged engine too... :-)

I pictured a situation in which it is. Denying it won't make it go away...

Park it pointed downhill and try it that way. I think it's pretty groovy compared with some of the alternatives.

Do it by feel, not by line of sight and its easy.

The intrigue is lighter, smaller, and is probably geared lower. How do=20 you think a bonneville gets the gas mileage it does? Low end engine=20 torque and a tall gear.

Yeah it downshifts into 3rd which is still a tallllll GEAR! A 5 speed=20 manual would break those into smaller fractions giving you both a good=20 tall gear in 5th and a good pulling gear in 3rd.

A WS6 in 6th gear going at 65mph will pull itself upto 80mph on its own=20 if you dont set the cruise control. It also gets better gas mileage than=20 a bonneville and will give you whiplash going into 2nd and 3rd gear.=20 Dont tell me low end torque isnt a good thing. Any engine that doesnt=20 have to scream at 10000rpm to get a car moving wont wear out as fast.

Ever heard of give and take. Higher hp, but lower torque. There is more to performance than just HP.

-- Thank you,

98 Camaro

department,

I'd have to try...

It's ceratinly lighter, but they have the same transmission and the same gearing: 3.05:1.

No, both downshift 2 gears to 2nd!

Of course it is and I do miss it in the Intrigue, that's why I still prefer the 3.8 for my needs, but high-end torque is a good thing too. However, if I had to choose between wither, I'd pick low-end torque. But I dream of a trully flat torque curve yielding the same torque at

1500RPM as at 6000RPM, which many turbocharged engines achieve and so does, apparently, the new 3.6 V6.

You mean you don't like laying out across the engine of the Bonny to change the plugs?

You wuss.;)

Well, it's not time yet (100000mls plugs), but I check it out and I think that that can only be done by either going under the car or pulling out an engine mount...

Throw a fender cover over the right fender and lean in. When putting in a new plug use your middle finger to locate the spark plug hole while holding the new plug with your thumb and index finger. That should prevent the electrode from being bent or damaged while you're locating the hole. After that just thread it in until it stops then grab your ratchet. Like I said, easy as pie.

Thanks for the instructions. I'll give it a try to get a feeling.

It's not too bad after all. I can't see them, but I can fairly easily reach them. Not too good, but not too bad either.

But the space under the hood of my Intrigue is not so generous for its

90° 3.5 V6. Thankfully, the spark plugs are more easily accessible on that engine.

If I recall correctly there is a dogbone mount at the front that you can=20 use to rock the engine forward and use the bolt through a second hole to=20 hold it in place. Intrigues also came with 3800's. You need a long pry=20 bar to rock the engine forward btw.=20

The 3.5 plugs are under the valve covers. I don't know how difficult it is to remove both.