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Notice Hachiroku how I have not mentioned the name "TOYOTA" until now? That's because I'm probably the only one on this thread who has the sense to trash what really needs trashing - this FRICKIN' ELECTRIC POWER STEERING! Let's focus on the root of Toyota's - and every other mfgs - problem - a technology that hasn't been fully developed before implementing in any country's car.
-CC
have you driven a car with eps?
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2005 Chevy Malibu. The best analogy: "Like turning the steering wheel while the car is up on a lift" Turned me off entirely to EPS. It will be at least a decade before I even consider driving another car with electric PS. There's just some things, when it comes to cars, you just don't F*CK with. There's other ways to save fuel, cut weight, noise, etc. Messing with proven steering technology ISN'T one of them.-CC
34 deaths. Blood on the hands of Toyota.
Cite please. Don't forget to compare to all other car makers.
seems you don't understand the system very well.
there are two main elements in steering:
for #2, it really makes no difference whether that power comes from a hydraulic pump or an electric pump.
what you're actually complaining about is a subjective quantity called "feel", and that's not a function of the type of pump, but the level at which it kicks in.
conclusion: your ranting about eps is underinformed.
The oproblem is that the Malibu always felt like this, even before they added the electrical assist. Your problem is with the way Chevy thinks the steering system should feel, not with the implementation.
I urge you to drive a Toyota with the system. It's pretty tight, maybe even more so than the Toyotas without it.
That said, I don't really like the electrical steering assist, because it is more unnecessary complexity. It _can_ make for tight steering at lower cost, but to be honest I have driven plenty of cars with no power assist at all that were great.
Too many GM products steer like ocean liners... you can turn the wheel
20 degrees and nothing happens, the dead band is so severe. Cadillac finally got this right with the CTS, which is the first Cadillac ever that steers and handles like a real car. I'd like to see the folks who designed THAT try designing an electronic assist; I think they could do the concept justice.--scott
ROFL...Yup, you didn't did you?
With all the guff Toyota is taking, all of a sudden "I don't like this about my Toyota" or "I don't like that about my Toyota." Fine! Put it up for sale! They're bargains right now. I'll take it, get it fixed, and have a decent car!
What car were you talking about, BTW?
__________________________ I experienced electric PS on a 2005 Chevy Malibu, and you can read my description of it's road feel a few posts back. I'll say it again: while the media has Toyota in firing range, I'm targeting what really needs to be looked at: this electric power steering. The problems with the Corolla could have happened to ANY MAKE utilizing the frickin' thing, GOT IT? Honda, Chevy, Ford, VW, whomever! So it's NOT a Toyota problem, it's an unproven technology problem. Get it through your thick skulls - ALL of you.
-CC
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And you can take this to the bank, Scott:
It takes only one bad example of an implementation to turn this old road stevadore off to a new technology. Some folks are like that, Scott. Their ballgame is "one strike you're out". I don't grant second chances where my directional stability, my life and the lives of others are at stake.
The car CD player keeps chewing CDs? Fine - yank out the deck and replace it until a deck is found that actually plays the CDs instead of eating them(just using an example here..) Power steering - whole 'nother ballgame.
-CC
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And you can take this to the bank, Scott:
It takes only one bad example of an implementation to turn this old road stevedore off to a new technology. Some folks are like that, Scott. Their ballgame is "one strike you're out". I don't grant second chances where my directional stability, my life and the lives of others are at stake.
The car CD player keeps chewing CDs? Fine - yank out the deck and replace it until a deck is found that actually plays the CDs instead of eating them(just using an example here..) Power steering - whole 'nother ballgame.
-CC
pumps are unproven??? dude, get real.
dude, there are millions of cars on the road with eps. just because your pos chevy was a pos, doesn't mean there's anything wrong with an electric pump.
so take the bus! oh, wait, that thing has a pump assist on the steering too...
___________________________ ELECTRIC PS. Are you people on here just playing dumb, or are you really like that?
-CC
On Feb 20, 8:17 pm, jim beam wrote: Power steering - whole
_________________________ I never said rule out power steering completely. Just build a hydraulic system that #1. facilitates parking, #2. tapers off gradually up until 20 - 30mph(depending upon size/weight of vehicle), until #3. it shuts down completely.
We con concoct all manner of reasons to invade country x, y, or z, but we can't achieve the above, economically? Something's WRONG with that picture.
-CC
Looks like you know absolutely nothing about EPS.
EPS is purely about saving money and increasing MPG. This may interest you.
Electric Power Assisted Steering does not use a pump. But thanks for playing.
To be sure, there are, or have been, hydraulic steering systems that had the hydraulic pressure supplied by an electric motor, but the electric steering they use on the Corolla doesn't have this kind of system.
I'd not go so far as to say what they are using is an unproven technology, it's been around in one or more of it's various forms since about 1965. The current implementation used by Toyota looks like the Acura NSX of the early '90s, and the BMW system of the early 2000s. .
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