Re: Toyota Corolla May Be Recalled over Steering Problem

Ashton Crusher wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Can you tell me where that number comes from? I'd like to see the source(s) behind it.

IF you beleive the news media it is based on the latest total as reported to NHTSA. And it appears to include all UA complaints, not necessarily ones related to the stuck gas pedals. 13 of the claims are very recent (and therefore somewhat open to question). 21 are earlier.

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The government has received complaints during the past three weeks alleging 13 deaths. The deaths allegedly tied to this problem happened in nine crashes between 2005 and 2010.

From 2000 to 2009, complaints alleging 21 deaths in Toyota vehicles had been filed with the government.

the paid sociopath presenting allegations and hysteria as "fact". how true to form.

"C. E. White" wrote in news:hlmd9h$ndj$1 @news.eternal-september.org:

And none of the earlier 21 were confirmed as being due to a stuck gas pedal, even after the passage of as many as nine years.

Note the exquisitely careful language in this AP article: variations of the word "allege" are placed in every clause that gives events and numbers.

Also note one of the last paragraphs, quoting an NHTSA official: "Transportation Department spokeswoman Olivia Alair said in a statement it was "normal for NHTSA to receive an increase in consumer complaints after a recall is announced and the public learns of a safety defect."

I restate, this time with more authority: ONE death confirmed, or NO deaths confirmed as being directly caused by a stuck gas pedal that was not due to incorrect or unsecured floor mats.

You have no authority to assert anything. You are talking out of your ass, just like the rest of the Toyota crowd.

How do you prove a stuck accelerator caused it?

I think they're just attributing it to a SA without really knowing.

What, you never heard of usenet authority?

--Vic

Ashton Crusher wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Do you assert that there are deaths which are /confirmed/ (not simply "alleged") to have resulted from stuck gas pedals, and that are not due to incorrect or unsecured floor mats?

If so, I'd like to ask you for your source; I've not personally been able to find any.

=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= wrote in news:hln9u5$oj8$ snipped-for-privacy@news.eternal-september.org:

Nobody has. Yet. And some of those "alleged" SUA incidents involved cars that didn't even have electronic gas pedals.

Remember that SUA incidents are spread across just about all automakers, and always have been.

I read a lot, and have a pretty good memory for certain things. Memories of the mid-'80s Audi 5000 fiasco are still fairly bright in my mind, which is partially why I am /extremely/ suspicious of the doom-and-gloom of the conspiracy and tort crowds this time around.

Not quite. Nobody's "attributing" anything, they're just "alleging".

I see the AP lawyers' fingerprints all over this article, in the variants of the word "allege" plastered everywhere; they don't want to get pinned down in court over this issue.

yes indeed. because they know it's bullshit.

why exactly the press would want to get their trotters in the trough on this one though is something i haven't figured out - the political agenda is ridiculous.

jim beam wrote in news:feKdnQj3EumcpuLWnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@speakeasy.net:

Organized labor gave $21 million to the Democrats over the last election cycle, which was 91% of their total PAC contributions. Automakers contributed about $1 million, split evenly between Blue & Red.

The press is unionized.

Toyota has no union plants, now that they've closed NUMMI.

Obama and the Democrats are union stooges, in a very open and public manner.

Add all that together, and you've got at least a big part of the current mess exposed.

Hardly uncommon, in fact this is exactly how Iraq happened.

Rarr rarr rarr rarr....

If we were talking any other company than Toyota, I would probably be all over them. But Toyota will not put up with this kind of failure, and they will come back even better than before. Also, most of the blame for the recent quality issues have come from AMERICAN suppliers; the issues hitting the US sourced car parts are not affecting their Jpanaese sourced counterparts. Or are you that ignorant/arrogant?

Nissan learned their quality lesson in the 90's, and they changed. Expect Toyota to do the same.

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Notice Hachiroku how I have not mentioned the name "TOYOTA" until now? That's because I'm probably the only one on this thread who has the sense to trash what really needs trashing - this FRICKIN' ELECTRIC POWER STEERING! Let's focus on the root of Toyota's - and every other mfgs - problem - a technology that hasn't been fully developed before implementing in any country's car.

-CC

have you driven a car with eps?

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-CC

1. where were you when frod was killing HUNDREDS producing vehicles they KNEW to be defective and on which they'd done their bereaved payout/recall cost math before they even started production?
2. where do you get your "34" number from?
3. how have you filtered out the idiot factor? ["accelerator failure" actually = "accelerator + brake + transmission selector + ignition switch failure".]

Cite please. Don't forget to compare to all other car makers.