In message , Uncle_vito writes
I live in England and I have had a recall for my car which was made in Nottingham England, I understand mot of the parts are locally sourced so that implies that the design is faulty.
Me either. What I need is a spell checker that knows what I meant to type :)
============= You do OK for a guy who's blind.
"Prove" was probably to strong a word. I suppose I should have said "an expert that creates wildly unlikely shorts to demonstartes how the electronics could casue the problem is not the sort of expert I trust."
Ed ============ Luckily, your profession doesn't involve any form of science or technology.
I believe the accelerators for Europe were sourced from CTS as well.
I don't get where he said that. A lot of people are pointing to the electronics, but since the affliction spans a lot of models, electronics seems out of the picture.
Interesting post. That's what I get for listening to NBC News.
No, I don't have any pix, but the Denso pedals don't seem to have the problem
They were inefficient, but when you went below ~30MPH, they lost their 'memory' and had to be reset to work .
Who are his minions anyway? I haven't seen his dossier.
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yeah, you just trust money. shill money.
I wish I had minions. I wish I got paid for this.
Ed
Are you trying to introduce basic physics into this discussion? :)
I heard the same sort of thing, and believe they said the Nipponese pedals had metal instead of plastic. Should be able to google it.
When it gets warm, I'll have a look at my Scion...
I am not an expert on software, but it seems to me that the basic programing modules would be similar across the product lines. I am sure there are variations in response parameters, but I would guess that the basic processing strategy would be the same across the product lines. I am sure it probably evolves over time, but I would be suprised if all of the vehicles with electronically controlled throttles didn't share the same basic programming. I have a couple of Toyotas repair manuals, and the electronic throttle control sections are virtually indentical (2.4L I4, and 3.0L V6).
Ed
that's not all you're not an expert on ed.
that's an underwhelming argument ed. sadly underwhelming.
Where can one find the data to support your claim?
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:24:22 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:
I can't prove what Tegger said and I doubt anybody can - until black boxes are telling the story. That's probably coming as a defensive measure by the auto mfgs. I've never had the problem of mistaking gas for brake. But though you and I may have trouble imagining that happening, it makes sense. Especially since SUA predates electronic throttles. Here's something that happened to me, and though it doesn't fit in exactly with SUA, it's similar. My kid converted his '93 Corsica from auto to a 4-speed Getrag. Shortly after he did it, me, him and my wife went somewhere in it and I said "I'll drive." Just for the hell of it, and to make him feel I wanted to try out his handiwork. I didn't give a shit and thought he was stupid it do it, but hey, I knew he would like that. So I run it up to second gear getting to a stop sign, and I blow the stop, ending up halfway in the intersection because I couldn't stop it. Luckily it's a residential street with little traffic. Turns out he had some big stupid aftermarket pad on the brake pedal that put the right edge real close to the gas pedal, and my foot was pressing both pedals. Seems simple enough, but I had enough of a WTF moment that I ended up in the intersection. You could call it a brain fart, but I cussed and told him to take that crap off the brake pedal. Still don't understand exactly how that happened, but for sure my head wasn't in gear with my foot in a new pedal configuration. I actually had to look down at my foot to figure out what I had done wrong. I was okay with it afterwards, and he never changed the brake pedal pad, because he never had trouble with it. But that WTF moment gave me a glimmer of the kind of confusion these SUA drivers suffer from. But just a glimmer.
--Vic
My memory is fuzzy, it's been a while since the Audi 5000 UA issue, but as I recall it was the first generation of Audi with an idle air bypass valve, or some such, and as such it allowed the computer to control, to a limited extend, the "throttle". The Audi's mainly did their UA at low speeds/stops which always made me think it was tied into the idle bypass. Other then sticking pedals on mechanical linkage, and usually after someone has monkeyed with it, I've never heard of UA on a true manually controlled throttle, other then simply stepping on the wrong pedal which no doubt does sometimes happen.
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