Re: GM pushing for HYDROGEN in China

You're more than a bit behind the curve.

non-sequitor and opinion,

Much more likely to be coal gassification, hopefully with mineral sequestration of the CO2.

It has a reasonable storage and range, not all that awkward, and many developments are expected in that field. It also should be pointed out that the Chinese don't have the 'traditions of waste' that drive opposition to lightweight or short range vehicles.

So you pontificate. As an opinion it is worth what we paid for it.

"Ian St. John" wrote

Good point.

From:

producer gas

mixture of flammable gases (principally carbon monoxide and hydrogen) and nonflammable gases (mainly nitrogen and carbon dioxide) made by the partial combustion of carbonaceous substances, usually coal, in an atmosphere of air and steam. Producer gas has lower heating value than other gaseous fuels, but it can be manufactured with relatively simple equipment; . /// See also:

CO2 is of value to oil producers. It could be injected into old oil wells for enhanced oil production. CO2 can also be used in greenhouses to accelerate plant growth.

Oh, I suspect a biological based process will be available within a decade.

As a consumer, my own opinion is that I have no interest in hydrogen powered cars and will never purchase one.

After over a 14 month absence from sci.environment (and all of usenet, for that matter), Scott Nudds has apparently returned.

The poster who is going by the nom d'Usenet "Vendicar Decarian" is, in fact, Scott Nudds. The IP address used by "Vendicar Decarian" is 24.150.149.131. The last known e-mails posted by Scott Nudds were under his e-mail address "S snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com" and pseudonym "Scott Douglas". The IP address of S snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com was 24.150.149.131. Both were using Cogeco.ca accounts.

Conclusion: "Vendicar Decarian" is really Scott Nudds.

Proof follows:

Headers of Recent Post by "Vendicar Decarian":

From: "Vendicar Decarian" Newsgroups: alt.politics.greens,alt.politics,sci.environment,talk.environment,alt.global-warming References: Subject: Re: Latest Arctic Sea Ice and Snow Cover Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 02:42:52 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.150.149.131 X-Complaints-To: snipped-for-privacy@cogeco.ca X-Trace: read2.cgocable.net 1069659435 24.150.149.131 (Mon, 24 Nov 2003 02:37:15 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 02:37:15 EST Organization: Cogeco Cable

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Headers of post by Scott Nudds, posting as Scott Douglas (s snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com):

Newsgroups: sci.environment,alt.global-warming Subject: Re: Feedback Factors (Clouds) -- Summary From: Scott Douglas References:

Organization: Dsoft Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Lines: 38 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:39:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.150.149.131 X-Complaints-To: snipped-for-privacy@cogeco.ca X-Trace: read1.cgocable.net 1030347567 24.150.149.131 (Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:39:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:39:27 EDT

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Good for you. Bicycles are much healthier. It will be interesting to see what your opinon is after the decline in cheap oil forces most everyone else over to hydrogen powered cars.

Snicker. What makes you think the Energy Industry will give you a choice?

What's your choice now?

Snicker....

Gasoline, diesel, propane, hybrid, natural gas, solar, or build your own. Stanley Steamers were very popular until oil became plentiful. Your choices are not limited by "the Energy Industry."

MTV

Depending on your age, you may have to or walk.

All controlled by the energy industry.

Both controlled by the same industry.

Solar powered automobiles are not a prctical possibility, and neither is the average consumer building their own.

Yet your very denial proves it is.

Thank you for illustrating your intellectual failure.

You must be very young and stoopid -- another data point proving that children should be seen and not heard.

I rather doubt it.

Well... all the food you eat is controlled by the FOOD (meat, dairy, agri-business, etc) industry.....

Roger... in a text medium.... everyone is seen ... and not heard. ;-)

So it is Nuddly. So Nuddly, when are you going to name the plastics you stated are suitable for a mass produced ICE powered automotive exhaust system?

Good observation.

Busywork. Name the cost effective plastic that can be economically formed into a conventional exhaust manifold shape .... one that will withstand many many thermal cycles to 1200 degrees.