Re: Toyota loses its way

In message , jim beam writes

You've obviously never subscribed to "Which?" But you should be able to get a taste of what they're like from their web site. Because the don't work alone they do test hundreds of cars as the work is shared with other consumer magazines across Europe, and they also send out questionnaires to their readership but they don't pay for them, otherwise they'd get back what people thought they wanted to hear instead of the truth.

i think you only have one finger. or is it thumb.

In message , Bob Cooper writes

Compared to the "Which?" Where the answers in the studies are in two year segments, 2002-2003/2004-2005/2006-2007/2008-2009 so you can see at a glance if a car is improving in quality and reliability or otherwise.

"Which" looks similar to Consumer Reports, which is the long-time - and sometimes disputed - standard measuring device used by those who let magazines select their cars for them in the U.S. They also use their subscribers to measure older cars. It's been pointed out numerous times in these newsgroups that CR and JDPower "track well" against each other. I've never verified that.

In message , Bob Cooper writes

Consumer Reports and JD Power, on this side of the pond are frequently very different

Well, I did it three times in one day, quite often. Never had a problem.

Then again, I made sure the ATF was correct and at the correct level.

Are these the "Initial Quality Surveys"? Any new car I get better pass one of these, because they're conducted within three months of buying a car.

If a car can't pass one of these in 90 days, the automaker needs to go out of business.

But, the governemt shored up GM, didn't they?

Sure Whatever you say. Putz.

Real world tests by someone who likes Toyotas for a reason.

you should cross-post to .frod, .gm, etc...

LOL! I don't REALLY want to piss anyone off! I have seen Fords and GMs go like this, too, but they are far between!

Buick does seem to be a pretty good car with the 3.8 as their foundation, Pontic was also a fairly decent brand (but got killed off by Obungler Motors) but that would be about all I would own.

Fords actually have a better track record as long as you stay away from their 3.8 liter...

You need to give up the bottle.

You are becoming a desperate troll. Get back in touch when you return to the land of the rational. Bye bye.

the bottle marked "reality" that makes me call a spade a spade? you need to give up the bottle marked "self delusion is indistinguishable from gullibility".

oh, the guy that claims he can damage a toyota transmission with a full-throttle shift is not a desperate troll - no siree!

I think you either just don't know how to drive, or were trying to drive a Tercel like a Supra.

Either way, you ruined a perfectly good transmission in a perfectly good car all by yourself.

Believe what you want. It's your delusion.

Not mine at all. You must have done something serious to be able to ruin this transmission.

This transmission is rated 131 hp, and is mated to an engine that produces

The spec for 1st gear is 34MPH. You probably managed to exceed that, and probably the 2nd gear spec, too. Ever hear of an Owner's Manual? It's in there.

hold on there and step back a bit - you're "discussing his allegation as if it could be anything other than complete bullshit. why?