Here's a secret for your VW Golf oil changes

If you are changing the oil filter its easier to do this from the top instead of from the bottom like I had been doing it all along.
Its still kind of a pain to work around all the hoses but its not so bad from the top. My car is a 2003 Golf with a 2.0 liter engine.
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Are there people that change the oil and NOT the filter?
its easier to do this from the top

Probably good advice for an A4 chassis, but on an A2 chassis its almost impossible to get at it from the top.
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wrote:

I thought everyone did this. My 88 Golf, my 87 Jetta, and my 97 Jetta are all done from the top much more easily...

Remind which chassis are which? I thought the Passat was the A4 and the Golf/Jetta the A3
Chad
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Passats are B platform: to 81, B1 (Dasher in U.S.) 82 to 88, B2 (Quantum in U.S.) 89 to I don't know when, B3 I don't know when to present, B4
Golfs/Rabbits/Jettas are A platform: to 84, A1 85 to 92, A2 93 to 99? (mid model year for Jettas, right?) A3 99 to present, A4
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'90 to '94 are B3 although '89 too elsewhere (we just didn't get a Quantum/Passat for '89).

'95-97 are B4
'98-early 2001 are B5
Mid 2001-now are B5.5

And Golfs and GTIs (all three models got the mid year change but the Jetta was more obvious because it's the higher volume seller here, so early '99 for A3s and the A4 appeared a few months later to replace it.
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As long as we're on the topic, I've got something to get off my chest.
1. All oil filters should have a socket in the end that will accept a 3/8" ratchet drive. What would it take to weld one of those on to the filter can? Good grief.
2. Every car should accept an even number of quarts or liters of oil, depending on the units used in the particular country. When you change the oil, you should be able to put exactly four, five or six quarts in, whatever, and that's that. I've got half-full bottles of oil all over the place. Go ahead and try to give me one good reason why a car should take 4.4 quarts -- but I'm telling you right now, you ain't gonna convince me. If the engines took a standard amount of oil, then oil companies could package oil in that exact amount. One oil container, dump it in, and there you go. This should be obvious to engine designers. Good grief.
3. When the "low windshield washer" light comes on, that reservoir should take exactly one gallon to fill it. Why on earth do we have to have partially-filled containers of washer around? Light comes on, pull into station, put a gallon in, throw container away. Good grief.
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Maybe you should try to order your oil from Canada, it comes in 1 Liter and 4 Liter sizes up here :)
On the other hand, since all the major companies sell to both Canada and the US, maybe you could convince your local distributer to order the metric sizes from the oil companies.
Will
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That windsheild washer thing really bugs me... Our Volvo holds 4 litres + a little extra, it's marked 4L on the resevoir.... so a US Gallon fits, a UK Gallon fits, and a 4L jug fits.... What does my VW have - 3L... Meaning I have little bits left in every bottle - I think the old A2 Golf's had 4L tho. In the winter I've had up to 3-4 washer jugs strapped in with bungie cords.

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Brian Running wrote:

OK, I am prepared.

Phooyee. Oil Filters should be put on, and therefore come off again BY HAND. Lube the new filter seal with some fresh oil and crank it about one quarter to a half turn past contact. Why people put filters one like axle nuts is beyond me. Same with using an air wrench to torque lug nuts. wtf.

Here you have a point; even if it was a metric amount. The 'additional amount' could be incorporated into the oil pan pretty reasonable, if not some where else. Still the reason you have half full oil containers around isn't the fault of designers. This situation shouldn't exist past two oil changes, it seems to me. (Old school tech meant the remainder would go towards intermittent topping off. One could hope a modern engine wouldn't _need_ topping off between oil changes).

Now you're just whining man. 8D
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It akes money to put something on that nearly no one should have to use. Hand tight, hand loosen or a simple strap wrench.

You pint is not my pint. Your liter is not my quart. Your galon is not my gallon. Your kg is not my lb is not my stone. The world does not measure things the same. Oil capacity is designed with a few factors. Enough oil to do the job and chassis space are the two primary factors. Not designed for Jo Dufus who cannot use the pint of oil to top off the engine at the half oil change top off, or top of the lawn mower which always uses oil, or as mentioned use it for the next oil change or the next change after that. Heck I buy the gallon. I use 1 gallon plus some. That not full one gallon jug gets used for the next few oil changes. It does not feel lonely sitting on the oil shelf with the other 2 or three gallons. Well it does now as I used my last full gallon and there sits the partial container for another few months.

I can show you a shelf full of partial cans. It takes 41 US ounces of laquer thinner to clean the spary gun. Why don't they sell 41 oz. cans?

Great troll! Fun to respond to your stuff. Is it Mad TV or was it SNL that had the old lady who went off on stuff and at the end of the skit went Oh.

Jim B.
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If all manufacturers would make their filters easily accessible, that'd be fine. It's not about torque, it's about the ease of turning the thing on and off. 3/4 turn past contact is the same whether you're turning it by wrench or by hand, it's just a hell of a lot easier to put a 3/8" extension up through all the hoses, etc., to get to the filter.

Whining? Of course I'm whining! What's surprising to me is that a lot of people responding apparently took it as something personal. You get all kinds on Usenet.
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Brian Running wrote:

You make a good point but if you put a lug on the end folks are going to crank down on it. You _know_ this.

You did see the 8D smiley face, didn't you?
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Yes, I do. And I also know that lots of people already overtighten oil filters, using all kinds of goofy methods. There's no accounting for everyone.

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I saw that, T. My comment was aimed at others -- believe it or not, some people actually took the time to compose long, rude personal e-mails to me about this. Up to that time, I had really respected this newsgroup as being one of the sanest places on Usenet. "Sane place on Usenet" is one of those oxymorons. Still a good group, though.
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You did not know there are nuts here? Haven't you heard the thumping of fists on chests as testosterone laden teens and early 20's people proclaim that VW makes the most excellent, fastest, most reliable cars in the world and VW loves them? Don't forget the run on sentances and lack of paragraphs and punctuation suggesting to much Nintendo time. As if I can talk about good syntax.
Hey my smiley looks like this ;-) That 8D means nothing to me. 8-) that means nothing either. Older guy that don't understand hip new asci art.

Jim B.
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snipped-for-privacy@doesthisblockporkmindspring.com wrote:

And then there's my favorite (I think I invented it) 8])
As far as run on sentances and impropper punctuation and thinking VW was the Cat's balls and things like that that mean nothing whatsover in the grand schme of things we all know that VW loves us very much, esp VWoA, abd there are never _any_ problems w/ VWs and GTI is all caps, and Honduhs suck and damn I need to get something to eat.
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enjoy yore meel and DONT BELCH WHEN YOU CAN SAVE IT FOR A FART

Jim B.
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Jeez man, can't you stay on-topic? More importantly, why the heck do they sell the good quality hot dogs in packages of six, and hot dog buns in packages of eight? I'm fed up with buying four packages of hot dogs and three packages of buns every time I want a hot dog, just so I don't end up with unused buns all over the house. Don't whine to me about your half-full oil and windshield washer bottles. The nitrites are killing me, not to mention the exorbitant bills for ketchup, mustard and pickle relish. It's a conspiracy, man, and I'm betting it extends all the way to the damn Oval Office.
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