2002 Passat W8 Six Speed Faster than 2002 C5 Corvette and C5 ZO6?

Is this really true? I've heard that the 2002 Passat W8 has a top speed of 130 in the US, and 155.3 in Europe, but once you remove the governor, even with the standard 275 horsepower engine, it has a top
speed of 174 MPH, and with an SKN tuning chip program, it has a top speed of 178 MPH. Is it true that the C5's 172 MPH top speed is DRAG limited and not governor limited and is the C5 Z06's 171 MPH top speed drag limited as well? I've read that it's because of aerodynamics and gearing and differential ratios that make a much bigger difference than even horspower and torque at high speeds. The Passat W8 has a .27 Drag Coefficient and is one of the most aerodynamic cars on the road, it's supposedly even slipprier to the air than Enzo Ferraris. I refused to believe it myself that the mighty Corvette was slower than a family car, but then a German Neighbor guy showed me proof with his GPS. He said he went to a race track and his top speed was 174 MPH even though his car only has 275 horsepower and his 2 kids and wife were in the car. I told this guy that even if it's true, that the C6 Corvette Z06 is faster and has a 198 MPH top speed. He then said that that's only because the W8 is an old car, he also said that they are going to come out with a new 400 horsepower Passat R36 coupe that will outrun the Corvette C6 ZO6 once you remove the governor. He then said that The Volkswagen W12 Nardo can beat Enzo Ferraris and that the Audi W12 and Bugatti Veyron are also made by Volkswagen so that nobody else is as good as Volkswagen.
I took this photo from his GPS unit in his Passat.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Sal29/car%20pics/W8_top_speedcompressed.jpg He also emailed me several other photos of Passats that were delimited like this.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Sal29/Passat%20Top%20SPeed/172MPHPassatW8Limo.jpg
He emailed me this screencap from some german website and he said that his friend there had driven at 285 KM with a SKN chip.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Sal29/FastPassat.jpg
I wanted to get a Corvette after I graduated from college since I thought it was the CHEAPEST really fast car, but if cheaper cars like Passats really are faster, then I'm not sure if the Corvette is really as good a deal as I thought.
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Not very much of it is true, even the 1998 C5 that Charlie had posted a picture at 205 MPH and that was years ago and they have gotten better. Come on over to my house and we'll take mine out and bury those figure you puked and stay in 5th gear. You sure are gullible or just full of shit.
A quick search came up with this -"It will likely be badged R36--thanks to the new 3.6-liter V-6 from the Passat--and have between 280 and 300 hp". Not hardly what you puked at all. Any search at all will come up with vintage 2002 Z06s with more horse power than that at the rear wheels with no modifications. Others with minimal modifications will do 400 RWHP. During the stock C6 tests they came very close to 200 MPH by folding the mirrors back a taping off the front grill.
Quick question, why are they making the C6-R carry 160 pounds of extra dead weight?
I do agree though, if you want "cheapest", get the VW, but then if you want the best, marry for money. You don't need a fast car then, just try to keep up with her/him.
Put down your magazines and do your home work.
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Was it a speedo pic or a GPS pic because at higher speeds, speedometer pics can be as much as 25 MPH too high. BTW, I always thought that the top speed of the C5 6 speed was 172 MPH drag limited and for the convertible it was 165, and for the Z06 it was 171. Are you sure that the 205 MPH C5 isn't a HIGHLY modified car? Is it bare bone stock or does it have a lot more power? I've done research about a lot of cars including Corvettes thinking about what car I'm going to get when I graduate from college and have a good job, but it seems you guys really don't know that much about European Cars. For instance for the people who think Volkswagens are so cheap, they should try and buy a Phaeton or better yet a W12 Nardo.
You have to compare apples to apples, if you compare a 2002 C5 with thousands of dollars worth of mods vs a 2002 Passat W8 with a stock engine producing 275hp and just high speed tires added and the governor removed, then I don't think that's a fair comparison. I want to do bare bone drag limted top speed comparisons so for my purposes removing the governor or adding high speed tires don't count as modifications rather they count as REMOVING modifications. I want to do comparisons that are fair. For instance, if you remove the governor and add high speed tires to a Passat W8, then you can only do the same things to the Corvette. I think that the only reason the comparison between the C5 and Passat W8 can be made is because the 6th gear of the C5 Corvette is too tall, and that that the highest speed are actually achieved in 5th gear, and the C5 is also not as aerodynamic. The most aerodynamic cars are actually the GM EV1 Electric Car .19 COD, Lexus LS430 .25 COD, Honda Insight .25 COD, Toyota Prius .26 COD, and Volkswagen Passat W8 .27 COD.
You're also confusing the Passat R36 Coupe with the R36 Sedan I think. The Passat R36 Coupe has 400 horsepower, and Volkswagen has been very good and getting top speed out of their power so I'll have to wait and see till it comes out to see which is the fastest cheap car, the C6 ZO6 or the Passat R36 Coupe when DELIMITED. http://www.iphone-forum.org/volkswagen/showthread.php?p 1425
I care about what the car can do without an extra power added so I know what the starting point is. If you want to modify a car, you can easily make even a VW Golf go fast see the 333 km/h pic here.
http://www.need4speed.ws/top-speed/HGP_R32_BiT_333/Nardo-Pirelli-Test-2004-VW-Golf-HGP-R32-Biturbo-333-kmh.html
You can make a lot of cars fast by adding mods to them. I want a car that's already the fastest in my budget and then I can make it even faster by adding extra power later.
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One more time, -- cd by itself doesn't cut ice. Generally, it's easier to produce a low cd when the area is large -- note that your LS430 does quite well (yet, the Prius will probably have a much lower total drag). Remember that at one time, the larger Volvo wagon had one of the lower cd's in the business. (It also had one of the largest equivalent flat plate areas of any passenger vehicle.) Various 'vettes with areas about 3/4 that of many sport sedans have much lower total drag, yet an "unattractive" cd.
To "compare apples with apples" you have to look at CdA, not cd. Better yet, measure the actual drag in pounds at 170 mph, sea level, standard day etc. etc. A phenomenon called "drag divergence" may make total drag data taken at 80-90 mph totally worthless at 170.
And, when you do that, make sure that the configuration (with/without mirrors etc.) was the configuration you wanted to run at Vmax.
Let the advertising guys use cd. Like Dad says, get out of the magazines and into the cockpit.
HTH -- PJ
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Sorry, they didn't have GPS capabilities when it was done which doesn't matter because it's all bullshit anyway. Where can you, or anyone else, utilize a car at that speed?

Why should it not be modified? You base all of your truths on a "delimited" VW?

Stay on subject here, first it was the Corvettes are slow and now it's that we don't know anything about European cars. I think my greatest thrill was watching them pickup a car from the M1 carriageway in England. They didn't use a wrecker, just leather gloves to throw it on a lorry, biggest piece was the dash, even the motor broke apart. No survivors. So much for speed as a buying guide.

For what purpose, to impress someone you don't know or care to know?

No mods on both would be better but you keep kicking in the "governor removed" bit. Why not try the Corvette with the rev limiter removed and the VW with the governor removed?

Whoa, now there is some reverse english on that little thought.

What's your point? The top gear is an overdrive and was built for that reason. I'm glad you picked Corvette to compare the bug to though, it only shows what the top dog is to beat.
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I see you didn't touch this one, but what the hell, it's your story, tell it the way you want to.

Been there, done that, and most of us here have owned and at the very least driven cars from all over the world. Personally these little pissing contests amuse me as the old saying about "any given day any given team can be beat" holds true with cars, how much money do you want to spend. Better yet were can that much speed be of any value? I only say that because I live in a state that has capital punishment for speeders, murders and rapists go free, speeders are put to death or they kill themselves.
Want to talk about the C6 Z06? As just a side note I have nothing against the W8, great piece of engineering as are the LS engines.
BUT, I like your little game, next!
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Sal29/car%20pics/W8_top_speedcompressed.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Sal29/Passat%20Top%20SPeed/172MPHPassatW8Limo.jpg
Drag co-efficients, while not worthless don't really tell the story unless one knows the conditions under which they were determined and also the equivalent flat plate area. Sort of like saying that my hammer will hit a nail harder than you hammer. -- PJ
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