Re: Dodge is like a Carriage with a DEAD HORSE!!

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No....................Honestly I hate seeing people buying junk, and putting money into junk. This automaker should die out soon with all the pressure from upcoming automakers like KIA and others who actually
spend money on R&D, and take their resources to make a better product. Dodge takes all their resouces making them good, and that's all!! Do you notice that? Basically that's all your really getting for the money, ANY automaker that sources out an engine to a third party company, that should tell you something?, Meaning their all show and no go as far as the company is concerned, and how looks on paper.I wanna see the company go belly up soon, that's my point.
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On Thu, 26 May 2005 09:52:44 -0700, Neil wrote:

You're just an uninformed, ignorant dickhead. Go away, asswipe.
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Dan C wrote: ANY automaker that sources out an engine to a third party company, that should tell you something?, Meaning their all show and no go as far as the company is concerned, and how looks on paper.I wanna see the company go belly up soon, that's my point.
You're just an uninformed, ignorant dickhead. Go away, asswipe.
I can see you're mad, name-calling won't help you any, but I'm not uniformed, maybe you are? I telling it the way I see it from buddies, myself included, and others who actually rebuild them and fix'em up Dan!!
I've talked to people in racing clubs around the city, and one guy was telling me the tranny in his Dodge Dart basically blowing apart, debris everywhere on the highway, f*...in junk!! I also heard of true stories of people in these clubs accidentally throwing the shifter in reverse down a highway in a Chevy half-ton, the rearend locked up, but NO debris like the Dodge!! It held up all things considering, it overheated pretty bad.
And if your driving on a hot day, the older dodges have that ballast resistor that fails mounted on the firewall, then the vehicle will stall and then won't start. I 've helped people,including my father, diagnose this problem before, and it's so common.............JUNK!!
General motors has the HE ignition going back to the early 70's, it's much more reliable then the Dodge Electronic Ignition, and that's a fact!! No one can convience me otherwise.....Dan!!
I don't hear any of you're mechanical expertise, so I assume that you don't know, or never restored a Dodge before........Dude!!
Neil
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 23:05:22 -0700, Neil wrote:

Like I already said, you're an uninformed ignorant little worm. Actually it's quite obvious that you are simply a common troll.
Get the fuck out of this newsgroup and go bother somebody else, dickhead.
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It just mystifies me why ANYONE responds to this stuff. To do so is an embarrassment to this entire discussion room as a group. Pretty much everyone in here is better than that. Just the Subject: line is an obvious taunt --why does anyone even read it? Everyone knows you're not supposed to respond to (read "encourage") trolls but it must be too hard to resist. Look at all the wasted space.
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:13:44 -0500, James Goforth wrote:

So why did YOU ?

Hmmm....
Indeed.
Where? I don't see it. Is the internet almost filled up? What should we do about it?!
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Sounds like bench racin' and bullshit. "I got a buddy that told me...."

Sounds like your friends are a bunch of morons. Honestly, how stupid do you have to be to put a transmission in reverse on the highway?

One screw and a $2.00 part and it's running again, unlike GM and Ford from that era where the ballast resistor was imbedded in the wiring harness (somehow, -that- is better). Besides, anyone with half a brain replaces the ballast resistor on a Chrysler product during routine maintenance (a tune up).

Mid 70s, it debuted in 1974 and became standard equipment in 1975.

Well, you're wrong. Plain and simple. GM HEI ignitions were plagued with problems from overheating, the wires to the pole piece would break from flexing necessitating removal of the distributor and removal of the distributor drive gear to replace. Ignition rotors were subject to burn through. The mechanical advance mechanisms were prone to seizing. And god help the poor bastard who forgot the ground strap under the ignition coil when changing out the distributor cap.

Okay, here's some expertise for you; describe the differences in how reverse gear is implemented in a Muncie M-20/M-21/M-22 4 speed transmission compared to a Chrysler 833 4 speed transmission. i.e., what components are in constant engagement and what components slide in and out of position? For bonus points, name the models of GM vehicles that used the Chrysler 833 transmission and why. For extra bonus points; what is the major design difference(s) between the above mentioned GM transmission(s) and the above mentioned Chrysler transmission, which of the above transmissions shares this (these) design difference(s) with a Borg-Warner T-10? Foe extra extra bonus points; the president of the United States is the leader of what country?
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Sounds like your friends are a bunch of morons. Honestly, how stupid do you have to be to put a transmission in reverse on the highway?
I used the word "accidentally" can you read? or you just like Dan that doesn't like people who criticize an American Automaker. I didn't say they like doing this for fun. No,it's not bullshit, think what want,I don't really care!! It's hard to make up a story like that.
And if your driving on a hot day, the older dodges have that ballast resistor that fails mounted on the firewall, then the vehicle will stall and then won't start. I 've helped people,including my father, diagnose this problem before, and it's so common.............JUNK!!
One screw and a $2.00 part and it's running again, unlike GM and Ford from that era where the ballast resistor was imbedded in the wiring harness (somehow, -that- is better). Besides, anyone with half a brain replaces the ballast resistor on a Chrysler product during routine maintenance (a tune up).
I would disagree, it happens when you least expect it, when your on holidays, at the lake, and so on. It's such a bad design in the ignition system, Most people always kept an extra one in the glovebox.2 dollar part or not, I wouldn't go to far home with this car or truck.I won't defend Chrysler or Dodge, I spent too much time under the hood of
my fathers car, it ran good for a long time, but their are problems that are so obvious, it seems that your always fixing the same problem time and time again. You wanna keep score, that's your business. Dodge will always be a "Poor Low Grade Automobile" around the world. Have a look at others, and see what they are doing, you would be amazed. Dodge is like the horse and pony show in the auto industry...That's a fact!!.
Mid 70s, it debuted in 1974 and became standard equipment in 1975.
I wasn't sure of the exact year OK.
GM HEI ignitions were plagued with problems from overheating, the wires to the pole piece would break from flexing necessitating removal of the distributor and removal of the distributor drive gear to replace. Ignition rotors were subject to burn through. The mechanical advance mechanisms were prone to seizing. And god help the poor bastard who forgot the ground strap under the ignition coil when changing out the distributor cap.
I didn't say they're perfect, and yes they are prone to the symptoms you described. I've been faced with this too. This ignition is far superior in my opinion. Overall....... OK
Your keeping score here, so I will let you keep count. Dan claimed he has never had problem with his 3 Dodge vehicle's in years?
I didn't believe them..............Do you?
It's nice to see you keep up with your auto mechanics, that wasn't the case in Dan's thread, So I asked him if he knew, he probably doesn't.
I'm sure your a Dodge fan, that's fine, lets leave it at that......OK Good for you!!
The president of the United States is the leader of what country?
Your addressing questions in the wrong Newsgroup!! Don't play stupid with me, OK.
My speedometer is in Kilometers, not Miles? What country I'm I from? Stay on topic............will you!!
Have a nice day!! -Neil
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I can read just fine. Shifting into reverse at highway speeds -might- be an accident, it also happens to be stupid and can only happen from doing something stupid. (anyone notice a common thread here?)

Criticizing? All I see is a bunch of incoherent babbling.

If you don't care, why post to begin with?

You are aware that Chrysler hasn't used a ballast resistor in their ignition system for well over 20 years, aren't you?

So do flat tires and fuel pump failures.

Exactly how long did it take you to figure out such a simple problem?

Right now, too much Ritalin comes to mind...

I know exactly what you mean... ... all those leaking GM intake manifold gaskets.

According to you?

Yeah, Gm is to the point of junk bond status. Ford can't build a vehicle that doesn't burst into flames or spit spark plugs out.

A citation for this "fact" would certainly help your cause.

No, not okay. You seem to think you're some sort of authority, yet you can't manage the slightest bit of trivia.

What makes it superior? Go ahead, be technical.

Actually, I'm poking fun at an idiot. The idiot is being very cooperative.

Yes, I believe him. His experiences mirror mine.

Knew what?

I'm sure your(sic) a pimply faced adolescent who thinks he has a clue, let's leave it at that...... OK Good for you!!

You posted to a group in the "alt" hierarchy, there is no such thing as "wrong Newsgroup."

You started it...

Canuckistan.
Don't forget, your mom said you are out of Clearasil and you should stop and pick some up.

Well, someone should certainly thank you for your valiant attempts to save us from ourselves.
Any volunteers?
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aarcuda69062 wrote: Criticizing? All I see is a bunch of incoherent babbling. Neil: According to you, and your not reading, your confusing the facts with your fictional beliefs that Dodge out performs better then other automakers. Maybe your should talk to all those own a Dodge Neon. Ask them.These cars rate "Fair" in consumer reports magazine,I think the reports are accurate enough. Their resale value is so bad, I rather put the cash in pile and burn it, before investing money in a car like this. Ok
If you don't care, why post to begin with? But I do.......
Just letting people know that their investment in Automaker that was going broke awhile back,and now sold, only sells cars based on looks, and doesn't spend enough of their resources on R&D. While GM and Ford continue their persuit to design and build a better product Chrysler/Dodge don't. Don't ask me either I'm not convinced allright.
You are aware that Chrysler hasn't used a ballast resistor in their ignition system for well over 20 years, aren't you?
Gee I didn't know that really? I guess I was talking about my Dad's 1979 Duster with a slant 6 Engine oh forgive me!! Your so smart!!
One screw and a $2.00 part. I think the car/truck you drive is missing a screw and a two dollar part. You think you can afford another?
Exactly how long did it take you to figure out such a simple problem?
What you f*..in care!!
Right now, too much Ritalin comes to mind...
Yeah your right...........I'm done here reading all your rambling, and you speaking out of turn in this group about US presidents. The company is is no longer US based. They sold out!! I'm defending a US based company, always have, and your staking a claim how great Dodge is now, what are you f*...in comy?
I know exactly what you mean...all those leaking GM intake manifold gaskets.
No you don't...Your just saying that. You don't like GM, and I don't like Dodge, that's the real truth of the matter.
"Poor Low Grade Automobile" According to me?
No, the millions and the millions of dissatisfied customers who own them minus 1 perhaps. Maybe you should talk to them, generally though, people won't talk about it, or even admit it, they just avoid the company the next time they want to buy a car or truck, Dodge wouldn't be my first choice. Or better yet ask poeple why there selling their dodge, that should settle any real beef I've mentioned here so far.
You wanna continue for me? Be my guest...Don't say I didn't warn you -Neil
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Someone wrote: "Their resale value is so bad, I rather put the cash in pile and burn it, before investing money in a car like this. Ok"
Next time you have the feeling of burning your cash, let me know and I will send you my POB so you can just mail it to me. My wife knows how to burn it without destroying the money only my bank account.
Sarge
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Who used the words "out performed"?

The wife owned a 1997 Neon. It did have the known head gasket problem. Dodge repaired that under goodwill. Otherwise, it was a very good car. The daughter currently has a Neon with over 100K miles and hadn't had any problems. Which is better than I expected for a $12K car (new) So, I'm not buying your rant. It seems misplaced.

Well CR rated the Chevy Nova as fair and it's sister Toyota much higher. The two were the same car. Since then I haven't put any credibility in CR magazine.

Please do.

If this were true, how do you explain why Chrysler is gaining market share over GM and Ford at the moment? If this were true, the opposite (by definition) would be the case.

Neil, you're not making any sense.
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i think you're missing a screw .... i got a 1998 dodge neon rt its got 157000 thousand miles on it . ( I LOVE IT ITS A GREAT CAR ) its gets good gas mi 34-38 . it has really ben worth the money and i would buy a nether one . GM AND FORDS SUCKS AND YOU DO TOO . YOU CANT BEAT A ( MOPAR ) END OF STORY .
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Cummins,the company that makes the diesel engine in the trucks, so that's why I say, if a automaker does this, it should tell you something.
I mentioned this before, and I will say it again.
DODGE PUTS ALL THEIR RESOURCES IN MAKING THEM "L@@K" GOOD, AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR PAYING FOR!!
YES.. They have higher sales then GM and Ford.., but you always pay more for GM, you buy cheap and sell cheap!! That the way she goes..I don't trust the sales people either!!
No offence!! That's pretty sad!!. The company won't admit to the public that they have serious problems with their engines amoung other things, I guess you have to find the service bulletins from the dealer to find out, otherwise they don't want you to know that........OK
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and so does ford..............
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And so does GM. The Saturn VUE V6 uses a Honda engine, the Chevy Nova had a Toyota engine (well the whole car was a Toyota, actually). So Neil's point is?
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Can't we all just get along? Seriously, my wife and I have owned in no particular order -
Used mid eighties Ford escort ( head gasket issue, elctrical issues, & bad heater core ), 1980 Datsun 200sx ( valve cover gasket, elctrical issues, heater core ), 1997 Dodge Gr. Caravan SE 3.3l ( had all recalls done, finicky rear power window, rr AC went out ), 1976 Ford LTD ( cracked block ), 1996 Gr Voyager 4 cyl ( Transmission ), Early 70's BMW 2002 ( lot's of stuff but it was old ), 1986? Olds cutlas ciera ( electrical issues, problems with starters, bad interior plastic ), 2001 Neon bought early this year with only 32000 miles (only issues with this car, a rock to the front windshield, passenger pwr window plastic switch on drivers panel - switch popped off, pushed in & still works), 1997 Caravan 3.0l ( had all recalls done, belt tensioner ) still own 94000 plus miles.
New 1988 Hyundai Excel - ( It got too small or I got too large ), 1990 Isuzu Pickup ( abs sensor went out a few times ), 1993 Hyundai elantra gls ( Had recall for transmission done, fuel pump went bad ), 1997 Chevy cavalier ( had recalls done, Bad interior plastics, dash vent broke, seat handle broke, Door handle cracked, abs fixed ), 1998 Neon expresso ( No problems, traded in for 1st van, gr voyager, when we had daughter ).
My conclusions, I'm not fond of gm - plastics seem cheap on the cars in the price range I can afford, also they had issues with gaskets on some motors in minivans. Ford I'm not crazy about - obvious issues with escort, plus their windstars had issues with engines when I was researching buying a minivan. Chrysler - minivans you have to be careful about the transmissions. See I'm not blinded by ChryslerCo loyalty, just my experiences. And if Gm were so good, why are they in junk bond status now? Maybe GM needs to eliminate a division or three ( foreign or domestic you choose ) and concentrate on making better products and not so many different ones? Chrysler got rid of plymouth and is part of diamler-benz. Look at gm and ford, how many different companies do they own, maybe too many.
Andy
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James, I was referring to dodge, I just meant that the automaker is more conscious about appearence then most, and they leave the functional aspect to a third party company, like Cummins for the Diesel Engine in the trucks. I just can't understand why people would settle for a good value, then a better and more advanced product from some of the other automakers. This company does have good value on their products, but way behind in technology, cosmetically they may look appealling, but it's not much different then years gone by. The way I see it, people are happpy with the short term life of the product from the automaker, but if you shop around there are products that last 3 times longer, and are not a money pit like the Dodge for parts and repairs. People don't understand that replacing the transmission or cylinder head is poor engineering by the automaker, especially if the car is less then five years old. Most people treat them with normal maintence so I won't comment on this. I understand GM owns import companies like saturn, but that is not direct relation to an American Automaker like Dodge, but their status has been changed. -Neil
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"Neil" wrote in message: "I just meant that the automaker is more conscious about appearence then most, and they leave the functional aspect to a third party company, like Cummins for the Diesel Engine in the trucks. I just can't understand why people would settle for a good value, then a better and more advanced product from some of the other automakers. This company does have good value on their products, but way behind in technology, cosmetically they may look appealling, but it's not much different then years gone by. The way I see it, people are happpy with the short term life of the product from the automaker, but if you shop around there are products that last 3 times longer, and are not a money pit like the Dodge for parts and repairs. People don't understand that replacing the transmission or cylinder head is poor engineering by the automaker, especially if the car is less then five years old. Most people treat them with normal maintence so I won't comment on this. I understand GM owns import companies like saturn, but that is not direct relation to an American Automaker like Dodge, but their status has been changed."
I owned have owned Chevy,, Pontiac, Buick and they all had brake problems usually after 20 to 30 thousand miles, persistent alternator problems, excessive corrosion on battery post. Still own one 2000 Chevy C2500 truck. I have owned Ford. Everyone of them had transmission problems. I have owned Toyota, only problems was the AC evaporator went out and some dumb driver decided to hit me head on and total the vehicle. I also own 2 Dodges at the present time with no problems. One is a 2004 Dodge Stratus and the other is a 2004 Dodge Neon.
I have no problem with any automaker installing another manufacture engine or transmission. You mentioned the Cummins in the Dodge truck. I know Cummins makes good engines. I driven fire trucks with both Caterpillar, Cummins and Detroit engines. All were good engines. The only problem was the Detroit's had to have a bucket underneath them to catch the oil it leaked.
I would rather them spend money engineering the car to be safe and look good and install a good engine and transmission that has been engineerrd by people that specialize in engine manufacturing.
Sarge
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