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My parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what I could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a
traditional built home. So...anyone here know anything about these?
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if the garage doesn't contain a Dodge Truck, as this NG is all about in the first place, then run screaming and don't buy it. Insist it at least has one Dodge Truck somewhere in the house.

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LOL....I agree. But unfortunately my parents are stuck on buying a Chevy too...ACK!!
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:27:53 -0500, "Carolina Watercraft Works"

If it's a true log home it will almost never stop settling.
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Suddenly, without warning, Jeff Burke exclaimed (2/10/2008 12:02 PM):

Jeff,
What does that mean in practical terms? We're thinking of building a log home as well, in a few years' time.
Since I'm more used to 'settling' resulting in wall cracks and whatnot, not sure what that means for log homes.
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wrote:

It means refitting windows and doors and repairing the chinking. Most of the log home web sites will tell you the truth about this, you can avoid it by building a faux log home, conventional construction with a log face. A good resource: http://www.loghomesnetzine.com/emailbag.html
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wrote:

What it means is that these type of homes are constantly moving. The logs expand and contract with changes in temp and especially humidity.

With log homes, it is the chinking that can give you trouble as well as any windows and even doors. The logs have to be properly fitted together or you will have constant grief with them. Make sure that if you build one yourself, that you get a bood kit and have somebody that really knows what they are doing or you may regret the project.
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TBone wrote:

Not if the logs are properly prepared. Do you have a log home by chance? All homes settle over the years. Some construction types are more tolerable than others. The biggest factors are the soil it's built on and the style of foundation constructed.

Thats true but generally a sign of improper poor construction techniques. There are numerous ways to allow for expansion and contraction in window and door frames.
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You are kidding, right???

At one time, yes I did (vacation cabin) which needed work when I first got it and I helped 2 of my friends in NJ who own and live in log homes.

The foundation is important to any structure but a true log cabin is a very different animal from stick built construction. Even if the foundation is perfect and sitting directly on bedrock, if the logs are second rate or not fitted properly, you will have a life of hell with the structure. That is not so much the case with stick built and yes, I do construction work as a side business.

It could be improper construction, low quality wood, radical humidity and temp changes. Log cabins do not react to weather changes the same way as a stick or brick structure does.

Really, name 4. Of course there are ways or they would not have them but they are not always simple to do and results vary. The point was and is that these are things that have to be taken into account with a true log structure that can for the most part be somewhat ignored with a stick built structure.
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TBone wrote:

You think you just cut down a tree and debark it and put it to use? Ya, they used to do that eons ago and I suppose some do but not quality construction.

Not necessarily so. Improper construction whether logs or sticks will lead to massive settling problems. Theres a right and wrong way no matter what you use. Side business? My folks and brother is in the construction business. I worked it for many years. Whoopee.

Bull. Ignoring proper construction techniques in a stick home will lead to stuck or leaking windows and doors or even worse. All construction has a right and a wrong way to do it. A log cabin can be built trouble free that will last a lifetime. Yes it takes a skilled builder but thats true with any construction. There are different obstacles to overcome.
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LOL, there is more to it than that. Quality construction or not, wood is hydroscopic and will expand and contract due to humidity and temp changes. While the 2X4's and 2X6's used in stick built construction also react to humidity, they are not stacked on top of each other and the 1/32 or so of an inch that they can possibly widen by have no cumulative effect. Log structures OTOH, have many logs piled on top of each other that are much thicker than a 2X4, will expand wider, and the expansion is cumulative. The wall height in a log cabin can change height by up to and more than an inch depending on log thickness and wall height and that simply doesn't happen with stick built or half log construction.

Sorry Miles, but there is much more to it than settling problems and log structures have significantly more settling in their first two years than stich builts do.

That is true but small errors in log construction tend to lead to bigger problems.

Yes Miles, your family lives everywhere and does everything. We have heard it all before and I don't know what you did working in the business, but with what you say, I doubt it had anything to do with actual building. BTW, do you own a log structure?

It can but in many cases it doesn't. In stick built, minor screwups are usually not even noticed and sometimes even major ones show no signs of something wrong for years if ever. Log structures OTOH, tend to develope issues from screwups or second rate materials fairly quickly and in many cases, are not all to easy to repair afterward.

No shit sherlock!

That depends on what you mean by trouble free and how long it will last depends on much more than its construction.
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TBone wrote:

Nobody is arguing that issue so why are you? My point TBone, is that log homes can be built with proper techniques and last a lifetime without trouble.

Never said otherwise. What the heck is your argument anyways or is it just to argue? With proper construction a log home will last a lifetime or more without any problems. You make it sound like it's impossible to build such a log home. Good grief!

Yes and we know you're an expert on everything!! Geez TBone, you'll argue any topic any time. And yes, I do own a log structure. They're very popular in the mountains of northern AZ.
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jmc wrote:

constant adjusting windows.
I was thinking of building a log home too, then after looking at a few, and talking to customers from a paticular "kit" mfg. (local shop) I didn't want hte headaches.
The first 3 years are the worst
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Jeff Burke wrote:

Thats why you leave 8" space over your lower windows and 12" over the uppers
better not build 7' ceilings... or your head will soon be rubbing the floor above ;)
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Carolina Watercraft Works wrote:

Just out of curiosity, why did you post such a question to this group? Don't you think groups like "alt.building.construction" or "alt.construction" or "alt.housing" might be better able to answer your question?
This group is for the discussion of Dodge trucks, not log cabins, so I'm wondering why you asked your question here.
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The short answer is cause anything goes in this group.
Notice the "OT" in the header?? That means this thread if off topic. Don't read it if you don't like the topic.
Anything goes in this group. There have been dicussions from firearms to pizza toppings to anything else that someone thinks up. It makes for some interesting reading.
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Suddenly, without warning, Denny exclaimed (2/10/2008 8:26 PM):

And why I didn't think twice about asking my own question :)
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How about because he can?
Or perhaps because it is a non moderated group.

It is about log cabins in this thread or don't you have a grasp of what "OT" means?
>so I'm

See any of the above.

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Because I'm looking for input from people that have actual experience and not from someone that might be giving input just because they are somehow associated with the log home industry. That's why.
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