Earlier on I had heard that the E90 coupe would be designated as the 4
Series; I understood that BMW was moving to a policy of all four door cars
being odd numbered while two door cars would be even numbered.
Lately I've heard no mention of a 4 Series, and everyone seems to be
referring to the upcoming E90 3 Series coupe and M3.
Has the 4 Series designation fallen out of favour?
Hopefully we see the new 3 series as 350i, as BMW is coming out with a
550i, and a 650I,
I would also liked to see a Logic 7 option without the iDrive nonsense.
I prefer to keep the A/C, audio, and nav separate. I think cars with
iDrive (or any computer managing 3 main systems) will be too expensive
to repair long term and will die a miserable death on the used car
I doubt we'll see a V8 3 series anytime soon other than the upcoming M3.
The rumor is that there will be a 335i that will either be a larger engine
I6 or a bi-turbo version of the current N62 engine from the 330i.
Logic7 is available as a standalone option on the 325i and is standard on
the 330i. I-Drive is not required.
Yep it is confusing. I check the BMWUSA web site. The 5 series shows
Logic 7 as an option.
I tried to build a 330 sedan and could not upgrade to L7.
When I looked at the vehicles options/highlights, it shows L7 not as an
option, but an upgrade to the base audio. However, there was no way to
select it when building the car.
Very strange, I just went back to the BMW site and built a 325 sedan,
it has the option for Logic 7 (Premium Sound Package) upgrade wher ethe
330 does not.
I wonder if the web site is wrong and you can find 330 with L7.
At any rate I am glad I can get it without i-Drive.
It is not just i-Drive, it is the concept of controlling main system
functions from a central display. Lexus, Infiniti, BMW are all starting
to do it.
I think long term it will ruin the heritage of the vehicles.
Think about it, you buy a 645ci with i-Drive for 80k. In 10-20 years
the car will be worth let's say 8-10k. The i-Drive is broken thereby
rendering the A/C, Heat, Audio, and Nav useless. The cost to repair
will likely be at least 3-5k assuming you can even get parts. There
will be no way to put in after market parts. So I think what will
happend is the cars will become step children.
The whole idea of a computer screen in a car is fairly new. There have
not been any long term tests to suggest how reliable the computers and
screens will be. However, in corporate america, we replace computers
every 2-3 years and they are not getting bounced around on the road or
subjected to extreme heat and cold.
Also, I have read several articles on how the Nav systems are just a
scam to increase dealer profit another 5%. The average Nav system
costs about 2k. Assuming you keep the car for four years, that is $500
per year for the Nav. If you look up an address once per week, (this is
average for most users), each lookup costs you about $10. Most people
ignore their Nav after a few months because it is more of a Novelty.
The ones that really need them are motorhomes, cab/limo drivers,
I work for a large telecommunications company. Although I cannot go
into to specifics, the technology coming out on cell phones and PDAs
will blow away the car nav and all for approx $100 bucks. And you will
be able to walk down the street or ride a bike and use it so you won't
be tied to a car.
Maps change all the time, the map in your car is outdated as soon as
the DVD is burned. Realtime access to real, accurate data is the way of
the future. Not some auto maker deciding to put a cell phone or nav
system in a car and then finally getting it to market 3 years laters
where it is already obsolete.
No one told you to buy a Nav package, i would not pay that much for a toy
People who would take advantage of a Nav on a daily basis would get their
time and effort saved, for everyone else it a toy.
But i was asking about I Drive and i thing that your uneducated guess and
quite unfounded. Besides there is no car out there today without complicated
according to you we should all go back to our '56 Buick or perhaps horse and
Not at all, I am just saying don't put your eggs all in one i-Drive
Ask the 7 series buyers of how much of a joy it has been.
And please, if you found one positive reivew on i-Drive, well, I must
have been out of the country when it was publised.
Sounds like you got screwed and suckered into i-Drive land based on
your defensive posture.
I've not had the opportunity to play with iDrive, but would like to try it
out. I've read the negative reviews but believe the concept is intriguing
and am not intimidated by the technology. If it makes working the car more
efficient, I'm all for it.
Then again, I would have liked to have a nav system in my E46 too, I've
used them in rental cars and they're just too cool. I've not seen the BMW
version to determine how well it stacks up against those with which I've
worked, but my expectations would be pretty high given the retail price.
Of course, this year's luxury items eventually trickle down to be base car
commodity items; I expect we'll see iDrive and navigation technology in
most cars in the not too distant future.
I look forward to the time when I can tune into my home system's mp3
library from my car's audio system.
For once, I agree with some of what you said. Which is a first.
It's definitely affected secondhand values ... compare the prices of I-
drive equipped beemers with those of similar Mercs of the same age and
I've tried 2 versions. I get the impression, and this seems to be bourne
out by customer feedback, that it's fine once you get used to it, but a
bit of a "WTF?!" if you've just started with it (some rental companies
apparently find it a right pain, as it's not good for just slinging a
person into). I have to confess that, as a "gadget" sort of a bloke, I
could see myself playing with it for hours, and quite enjoying getting
it /just/ right.
There's also the point that the car is still a beemer; Jeremy Clarkson
tested the new M5, spent ages slagging off the I-drive, then promptly
ordered one as he loved the car so much he forgave it the electronics. I
also suspect a lot of the negative feedback on I-drive by journos is the
old problem of one journo taking a dislike, and others jumping on the
It's one of those things that I think will improve over time. Reviews
I've read of later versions are less scathing, and the concept itself,
that of a user-defined instrumentation and driving state, is a sound
The long term reliability issue is still a concern though. One assumes
that, once the number of I-drive equipped cars reaches a certain point,
aftermarket screens (the priciest bit) and control units would become
available, but the diagnostics would still presumably be a bit of a
As a reason not to buy a new beemer though, assuming I could afford one,
I'd say the appalling styling was more of an issue than the I-drive :)
BMW 740iL - Stately progress for the mature gentleman
You talking about the seven series, or all the new models? I didn't like
the look at first, but they have grown on me. I love the look of the 3's
front and have gotten used to the back, but it could be better. I think the
five works, but the seven it just too busy, or something.
there are numerous excellent TV and written reviews on I drive from
individuals who know alot about what they are talking about and are not
or short sighted and can program their VCR.
i happen to know numerous 7 series owners that love their cars, have had
little hassles and
several who have already purchases their second because there is no other
car that car live up
to their expectations.
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