I think maybe a BMW is too much for me. I liked driving it and the
rear wheel drive, but I just couldn't hack the constant breakdowns
they apparently have. Transmissions...water pumps...window
motors...electronics? I mean this is stuff Hyundai has apparently
ARe there any other sedan type cars which are fun to drive?
I'm thinking Acura TSX.
Forget the Acura. Here's the perfect car for you, if you cab find one
for a reasonable price:
They were made from recycled Russian waste, and the waiting list to
get one then was about 20 years. I hear they were fun to drive and
they only had one dial. So there's not much electronics to worry
I was at an audio convention a year or so ago, discussing the old Lada I
once owned with a fellow from East Germany, and it turned out that he was
a Trabant racer and there is a large Trabant racing contingent in Germany
He said the Trabant was the most reliable car in the world, because it
has nothing to fail. No valves, no radiator, no fuel tank. It's all
His assistant broke in, saying "Well... sometimes they catch fire."
And he admitted that yes, you have to carry a fire extinguisher around,
but other than that it's a very reliable car.
That said, the Trabi _is_ kind of fun to drive. I would not want one for
my daily 150-mile commute, though.
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
On 23 Nov 2007 17:33:49 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
They are not cheap to get nowadays. Collectors pay top money for them.
I remember when the wall came down, you'd see these gits in their
trabis on the autobahn, There were even a few cases where a trabi
would make a U-turn, after having missed the exit, and got trashed
head on. Not only were they driving 2 cycle engines on the autobahn,
they also had this East-European driving style which started to get a
living model of Darwin's theory. Of course they quickly got banned
from driving on public roads, but boy, in the first few months when
they were out-and-about, it was rather scary on the autobahn.
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:> I remember when the wall came down, you'd see these gits in their
In the UK it was usually similar when a new bit of motorway opened - the
local yokels would venture out on them in their old bangers and their
driving varied from inconsiderate (outside lane hog ; middle lane owners
club etc.) to the dangerous (carving off to exits; *pulling out without
looking*, stopping on slip roads, pulling off hard shoulder at 1mph etc.) to
fatal lunacy (e.g. pushing cars on the carriageway, turning back or
reversing up slips).
Perhaps the worst case was the when the M25 opened between the M1 and the M4
& M40. Suddenly you had people who had hardly ever driven on a motorway and
probably never should mixing with a huge population of hardened speedsters
(90+ in those pre scamera days). There were two appalling cases where
people pushed fuelless cars either around another on fire on the hard
shoulder (artic => 2 RIP, 2SI) or out of a coned area on the outside lane
(several vehicles => 1 RIP, 2SI), not to mention animals and insecure loads
making it across the central reservation!
I guess the West Germans came of better in the head ons - S-Class or
7-Series v. small plastic car with tiny lightweight two stroke engine -
typically while the Trabant will be a total write off the other car will
still be drivable...
I about ate one of these with a '92 525 when stationed in Germany after
'the wall' came down. Northbound on A-7 headed to Wurzburg at ~125 MPH.
Min speed on the autobahn (if I remember right) was 60KMH (~37 MPH). I
doubt that Trashie was doing even 1 K over it when he pulled into the
left lane w/o a signal...and no doubt without checking mirrors!
Thankfully my car was fairly new and BMW brakes are as they are.
Work like you don't need money, love like you've never
been hurt, and dance like nobody's watching.
They were soon banned from driving the autobahn, as I recall. Many,
many people died in their little plastic boxes, trying to make U-turns
when they missed their exits, or just plain plowed into when
left-laning at barely 60 km/h...
According to this
Road deaths in the East rose 60% in the first six months of 1990,
claiming 1,078 souls.
A man stops his Trabant at a garage and says: "Two windscreen wipers
for my Trabi". The garage owner thinks for a moment, then replies:
"OK, that's a fair deal."
Why does the Trabi have a heated rear window? It keeps your hands warm
while you push it.
If it doesn't pull 6 feet to the left when you brake hard, it will at
least be an improvement on the old model ;-)
To the original question though, I have an Audi A4 for the weekend
(2007 quattro, auto transmission) and I have to say it is a lot of fun
for a sedan. Can't say that you'd have any less repairs on it than a
I'm sure they thought the Fiesta, Escort, Scorpio, and Sierra were good
cars too. The British are a bit...'special'...
I've seriously considered replacing my '92 535 with an early 2000's A4Q.
Not so much because I don't like the BMW, it's just that I want
something newer. Unfortunately, the A4's need new control arms on a
regular basis, which are not cheap. Though, the quality feel inside is
spectacular, better than equal aged BMW's. The thing is that the A4 will
cost me more money, insurance and deprecation, and probably won't be
more reliable in next couple of years anyway. I've had no expensive
problems at all, although the injectors need replacing very soon and new
tires will be needed after next summer. Not to mention, I have a '90 E34
as a parts car...
Glad to see you're agreeing with me. You do know Ford is an American
co., don't you..? With that said, I'm trying to come up with a half
decent British car, but I can't because I can not even come up with a
British car company...
Heh heh. I merely commented that the new Mondeo appears to be a very good
car indeed. And Ford is a US owned company with bits of the Mondeo made in
different parts of Europe - including the UK and Germany. For some reason
you decided to have a pop at the British - for I'm sure your own good
BTW, *some* parts of the German car industry are successful. Not all.
*Ah, I see the f**k-up fairy has visited us again
Dave Plowman email@example.com London SW
Actually, the most fun I ever had driving a car was with a Morgan. The
MGB was plenty of fun too.
Not sedans, and a whole lot less reliable than the worst car BMW ever
made... probably less reliable than the worst car Ford ever made too...
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Until the mid 80's UK Fords were typically cramped and undergeared, even the
early 80's fwd Escort was a bit of a let down with its 'bunny hop'
suspension, however things changed with the introduction of the hatchback
Granada in ~1985. Spacious, with reasonable engines gearboxes and handling
they were the first mass market car to have ABS on all models. Ford would
be overtaken by GM in most model areas within five years, but for a brief
period in the mid 80's probably had the best mass market cars on the market.
Then there was the BL rubbish.
BMW 3, 6 and 7 series were vastly superior to their Ford and GM cousins,
with only the rather long in the tooth E28 5 series letting the marque down.
Er? When do these constant breakdowns happen. All my BMW have been very
reliable. However, can I suggest that you troll the other maker's newsgroups
before suggesting that BMW break down. The fact is that the other makes - GM
and all variants in UK & Euroland inc USA coupled with FORD and Chrysler have
far more constant problems that BMW or Mercedes (Oops!)
Sir Hugh of Bognor
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
The only problems I've had with mine, in 6 years, are sensors. A
cam-position sensor (fixed under warrentee), and now a flakey ABS
sensor and an oil-level sensor that sometimes reports low when it's
really not. Odd, since there's not much to go wrong with these kinds
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