Re: What is the root of this BMW design flaw in all 3,5,7 series BMW trunk wiring looms?

you're partly right, but that won't save you when the typical DC-area driver who doesn't do any of those things decides to move into the same space you're currently occupying. that's when those car control skills become important - and that makes the difference between an adequate driver and a good one.

I don't know where the assumption seems to come from that teaching people how to drive safely at high speeds and/or on unfavorable surfaces suddenly makes them less safe on a public highway, and/or impacts their mindset or attitude towards driving on public roads in a negative manner which is what you and gpsman seem to be implying. I would be interested to see any statistics that address this issue, but it seems that in our current political climate it is far more politically popular to fund studies that "show" that simply driving slower and using automated enforcement is the solution to making our roads safer.

nate

No s*it!

The BMW E46 M3 was the first normally aspirated production vehicle to make 100HP/Liter. PERIOD.

Don't mind JB. He just likes to rant on about how his choices are the right ones and can't admit that anyone other than his short list of approved manufacturers can make a decent car.

I'm trying to think if there are any reasonably mass-produced automotive engines that achieve 100 hp/l - I'm pretty sure Honda S2000 qualifies as well, FWIW. Not sure if there are any others. I'm not counting Wankels as similar to a 2-stroke comparing displacement isn't exactly fair as they have more power strokes/displace more air per revolution than an Otto or 4-stroke Diesel cycle engine.

At the end of the day, though, hp/l is not really what matters - it's hp/weight, and also BSFC if you are racing in a series with limitations on fuel use...

nate

In Nate's case he's managed to collect a fistful of tickets, still considers himself a good driver. Denys missing all the clues traffic provides that a cop is present represents any failure of his situational awareness, and of course the cop was always wrong.

The change from "I got my license!" to "All the rules are stacked against me!" can only be measured by factors of the speed of light. -----

- gpsman

the e46 was released in 2000 wasn't it? the honda prelude SiR had

you forgot to add the important qualifier - "in comparison with a buick".

prelude.

irrelevant drivel.

true enough. how's that 3200 lb behemoth working out for you?

irrelevant drivel.

wow, that explains even more - not just lack of self-awareness but situational as well. totally consistent with his behavior here of course. i used to think he simply had asperger's, but that was much too simplistic. it definitely goes a long way to explaining why he keeps coming back and begging for more abuse.

talking of which, i guess i'm a sicko - i can't resist obliging him. especially when he has his little teddy-flinging tantrums and makes his childish threats.

Wow you guys are incredible... get a room with your IKYABWAI.

I didn't forget anything.

Type S

One version of the fifth generation Prelude, a high-performance model called the Type S, was only available in Japan. It was equipped with the

Close, but not quite. Still respectable though.

Quite relevant.

It's much easier to achieve a certain hp/l number with a two stroke than a four stroke. Do you understand why? Same effect in operation here.

It's great. It rides and handles acceptably well, and unlike a CRX, Lotus, or Miata, I can actually carry three passengers and some luggage in comfort, which is important if you have friends.

Really? So if you have a limited amount of fuel, BSFC is not important at all? Fascinating.

nate

oh, but you did!

so if i understand you correctly, when you were claiming "100hp/l" you were trying to do so for years 2001-2006 [the years the e46 was produced], while somehow trying to claim that it's better than the 217hp / 2.157l = 100.6hp/l of the 1996 prelude, correct? so year for year doesn't figure in your calculations? or are you just too spectacularly incompetent to otherwise avoid being confronted by the facts on the s2000 instead? [rhetorical]

it's a red herring and therefore irrelevant.

wow, not only do you answer rhetorical questions [sic], you do so by way of suppositional nonsense!

how old are you nate?

red herring irrelevant drivel. see above.

i have a much better idea - why don't /you/ try to understand why we're able to have this conversation in the first place, and then try to do something about it? the ball is totally in your court.

Because you're transferring your own shortcomings onto others in an attempt to feel better about your own pathetic selves.

nate

Actually I came in late to this conversation, you were discussing power/displacement ratio with someone else and I just jumped in because I found it interesting. I don't know really anything about Quaaludes other than that they really were supposed to be some of the nicest handling FWD cars made, I just hopped on wiki and tried to find which engine to which you may have been referring. The bit that I quoted was the highest hp/l ratio that I saw; 217 hp/2.2l is still not quite 100. Now if the actual exact displacement is less than 2.2l, then OK, you get that one.

It's quite relevant, unless you're the type that likes to compare apples to oranges to "win" a usenet argument.

OK, in that case: You're both wrong. The very first Mazda production rotary yielded 110hp from 982cc. In 1965. I "win."

I'm just saying, your "approved list" actually includes some good cars, but they are not generally practical as a primary vehicle. You're attempting to compare sports *cars* to sports *sedans* (or coupes, as the case may be) and then running down the latter because of the comparison. Dissemble much?

The fact that you consider it irrelevant is telling. Results matter. How you get there is less important.

nate

If you need an explanation of why my example is not actually a fair comparison, see here:

Alternately, instead of just using "displacement" as a raw number, we could use "displacement per revolution" e.g. an Otto or Diesel engine with a 3-liter displacement would have a 1.5 liter/rev displacement, which would actually make more sense, but the convention has been in place for so long that a change just to allow for fair comparisons with the exceedingly rare (only found in the current RX-8) Wankel engines and the similarly now rare (although somewhat common in the past, and we didn't appear to have confusion problems then) two stroke gasoline and Diesel engines.

That all aside, with the increasing prevalence of various forms of supercharging, actual displacement seems to be becoming less and less relevant anyway...

nate

i didn't "get" anything - you simply shot your mouth off without any attempt at basic fact checking. as per usual.

you're just grasping at truly pathetic straws.

???

you're putting false words in my mouth, then not even making sense with what you say i said. fail to comprehend much? [rhetorical]

you really are brain damaged. anosognosic.

he said, diving down the irrelevant brain-damaged rabbit hole of his own digging.

no nate, that would be you. seriously, you need help.

Um, I *did* attempt to check your facts, and I found that it was a nominal 2.2 liter engine with 217hp. If you have cites to the contrary, I'm willing to be corrected, because, as you well know, hondas are something that I have little to no experience with. In fact I am trying to remember if I've ever even driven one. Since you're the supposed expert, please, enlighten us.

No, if you consider power strokes per rev irrelevant, then the Wankel wins, hands down.

Man Look! I came here for an argument. Mr Barnard (calmly) Oh! I'm sorry, this is abuse. Man Oh I see, that explains it.

nate

then you're simply incompetent because you didn't check properly.

i've already given you the numbers, retard! do you want me to repeat them??? [rhetorical]

no. and i'm not wiping your ass for you either. retard.

he said, grasping at pathetic irrelevant straws.

so why do you keep coming back? [rhetorical] you are truly brain damaged.