The Aspen, new and old

get the picture, troll ??

"Jalapeno" wrote in news:1160141724.466423.160380 @m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

Uh, Plymouth is gone. So DC's "standard" line is now Dodge.

Loosely put, Dodge is to Chrysler as Chevy is to Cadillac (especially the SUVs), except on the GM side the performance is reversed. Cadillac offers the most overall performance compared to the other GM divisions.

Odd the way things have unraveled over the years. Back when Chrysler was the #2 of the Big 3, they were a full line manufacturer, with the economy Plymouth at the bottom battling with Chevrolet, and a marque to compete with just about every GM offering. Ford passed up Chrysler due to increased sales due to Ford's completely new '49 models that included popular Merc and Lincoln models. I believe Ford ran around Chrysler in 1952, even though Ford was still clinging to its hopelessly outdated flathead V8s, while Chrylser had such things as Gemmer power steering, air conditioning and their new hemispherical V8s.

In the '50s, De Soto competed with Oldsmobile directly, with flashier styling and "Firedome" hemis. Chrysler chose to abandon that market segment, probably because of Ford's resurgent Mercury lineup, in the '60s. By 1961, De Soto was basically a stripped down Chrysler Newport with a really funky looking grille, and nothing more. Dodge more or less, especially after Exner started stirring the styling pot, competed directly with Pontiac Division, while Chrysler itself ate away at Buick. The Imperial competed directly with Cadillac into the '60s, but fell flat later on.

It don't take much to keep you boys entertained, does it? This has got to be the least interesting off-topic thread wreck I've ever seen.

"Joe" wrote in news:OyKVg.1850$ snipped-for-privacy@newsfe04.lga:

Well, _you_ read it, eh?

That's right, eh.

Which Joe is Joe??? Who's on first??

DeserTBoB wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Gotta read the headers.

My grandfather wouldn't have anything BUT a Dodge! He really knew that they were, as the ads said, "Dependable". He love FluidDrive as he didn't like shifting, but still kept his left foot touching the clutch out of habit! I wish that he would have kept his Dodges, a 50,

No. After you said "Dodge is to Chrysler as Chevy is to Cadillac " that was as far as I got. You're right of course, and I agree completely.

Yes, I know that. Hence the term "was". ;)

And this was the point of my article, Dodge is still the "performance" line. Just because Plymouth is gone doesn't make Dodge "standard". It was a less than perfect analogy to begin with, anyway.

Um, no. I see it as "Dodge is to Chrysler as Pontiac is to Cadillac". YMMV.

That's the rub- its a very imperfect analogy as there was a lot of overlap. I doubt that owners of Plymouth Barracudas, Roadrunners, or GTXs would agree that their cars are "standard" (if anything, the GTX was a bit nicer than its Dodge equivalent, the Coronet R/T- and I say that as an owner of a Coronet R/T). And I doubt that you'd get much argument that a slant-6 Dodge Dart is a "performance" car any more than a slant-6 Valiant.

Fast forward to the 90s up to the end-of-life for Plymouth, and I still wouldn't agree that Plymouth was the "standard" necessarily. However, it was neglected to death. It never got an LH car, and its only "special interest" car was the Prowler, which was a little TOO "special" for most people.

You can argue over that all you want, but the one definite is "Plymouth is to Chrysler as Oldsmobile is to GM." I mourn the passing of both of them.

Saw a purple one on the street yesterday...I instantly wanted one! An OEM street rod...a great project car, but not for the faint of heart.

especially for you, since no one answers your posts anymore, you've been outed as a troll, and you don't even know your wrench sizes.

Prowler for you ?? that's a laugh...you're driving a 1978 HONDA, remember ? Your other car is a 1986 Chrysler POS.

where would YOU get money for a Prowler ? Your only prerequisite for a car, is gas mileage. You can barely fuel a 4-cylinder, let alone a V-8 performance rod.

The Prowler only had a V-6, not a V-8.

He wouldn't know. Charlie Nudo aka "duty-onner-country" (also aka "D-O-C", hence the misspelling of "honor") is the "Dumpster Diver from Drums." He thinks GM crap is somehow good, and only came into this NG to harass and stalk me.

But yes...I wouldn't mind having a Prowler for a grocery getter...except they don't hold many groceries!

What do you expect from Charlie Nudo? He's only here to troll.

The best. My '95 Concord is running too well to trade. Engine, transmission and body are almost as new, with no repairs, just normal maintenance service.

Thank goodness Chrysler stopped making cars that interest me.