I'm a first-time visitor, not a classic truck owner - but am trying to
research a problem I hope someone here can help with.
I"m trying to solve a neighborhood eyesore - a rusty El Camino that
probably belongs in a scrapyard. It has spent a few years parked
outside in New England. It evidently is just operational enough to
move across the street once a year when the snow parking side-of-
street rules change (a neighbor who witnessed that event this year
said the engine noise was deafening).
So here's my question - since I'm trying to resolve this nasty issue
peaceably: if you ran across such a heap, what would be a reasonable
offer for it? I realize I don't have a lot of details, but hope I've
provided enough info for a SWAG estimate.
Since you are trying ot opress your neighbor, I'd guess it is worth
whatever you have to pay for it... Don't you have anything better to
do with your life than causing problems for the rest of the world?
Go over and offer to buy it, say "How much?" He'll tell you. Pay it,
then junk it.
Thank you for your thoughtful, detailed analysis of my motives and the
situation. I wish things were as simple as your sensible suggestion,
but they're not: I'm dealing with an intermediary who's making a
sincere effort to soak me. I need to be armed with a little
information. Blue books aren't very helpful here - I'm hoping someone
with enough knowledge about harvesting neglected, rusting, classic
vehicles could help me gain that information. It seems like a
reasonable request - sorry if you think otherwise.
Why people think they have a right to tell others what they can and
can't do with their property is beyond me. If he wants a rust bucket,
that's his right.
I'd say it is worth between 40 and 40,000 dollars. Take the average of
20,020 and offer him that.
Or go buy one that is more visually appealing to you, and offer to
trade him even.
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:57:24 -0700, Heather & Joe Way
How can someone come up with a value for so vague an item?
As to the OP's 'justification', that is just icing on the cake--a good
laugh, but not much more.
Here it is:
An item's value is solely what a buyer will pay for it if the seller
wants to sell it. Nothing more, nothing less.
So, the OP should contact the owner, and say "how much". Then the OP
can decide: "Do I really want this?" If the answer is yes, then he
should buy it. If not he should simply get on with his life and worry
less about what his neighbors do, own or drive.
Beats me. BlueBook and Edmunds manage to do it - are their users
"really dumb"? I was just asking this group to fill in a hole those
sources don't cover. I'm pleased and honored you took it as an
invitation to bestow your advice on how to deal with people and local
ordinances - but it really wasn't what I was looking for. However,
I'll keep you in mind when I am in search of such wisdom.
If I brought some humor to your life, my existence has been
Basically, NADA and Edmunds need the year, model, condition, miles,
major options, etc. to determine a value. Not just the phrase "rust
bucket"... <g> If you can tell me the above I can tell you what I
*Think* it is worth, too. Generally a rust bucket of indeterminate age
and condition is worth about $25 to $75 as scrap, and maybe twice that
to someone looking for parts (assuming there are some still left.)
What year and model? How many miles? General condition? Options? Air?
Say it is a collector's vehicle... (might be, right?) then grab a copy
of Hemmings Motor News, look up similar vheicles in similar condition.
(You probably won't find any, but Hemmings is fun anyway.)
Again, (last time, I promise!) what is it worth to you to get the
thing out of there? Take that amount, write up a bill of sale, walk up
to the guys door: "Here's cash, in hand..." Maybe he'll surprise you.
Most junk yards will tow it away for free.
Thank you. This is a big improvement over the oppress-thy-neighbor
crap we started out with.
Believe it or not, I am educable. Maybe you are too - once off your
high horse, you started showing a little decency and respect... not
unlike the way you're suggesting I treat my neighbor.
10-4 to that. Jesus, a car is bringing down his property value? He
must live somewhere awful. Toxic waste couldn't bring down the high
values of property where I live.
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
And if I want to sell my house, that's my right. It's unfortunate that
his rustbucket is scaring off buyers. Yes - that's what's going on
here. Now we're even - I also have rights that are at stake.
My neighbor is violating the law by parking a non-functional car on a
public street. His law-breaking is causing me economic harm. But I'm
not trying to threaten anyone with the law - I'm trying to settle this
problem much more to his advantage. My interest in doing that stops
well short of being ripped off - I'm trying to be fair, not stupid.
Why you've concluded that I'm trying to perpetrate some terrible
violation of his human rights is beyond me.
Once again, thank you for you thoughtful analysis - your understanding
of market economics is clearly as deep as your understanding of human
Zip , I congratulate you for trying the do the
right thing. I know nothing about possible worth
of this vehicle , but I had to comment on PeterD.
PeterD is evidently a product of our PC society,
which believes that we cannot do anything to
correct a problem because we might hurt someones'
feelings. Balderdash. We need more people with
courgage, people that speak their minds, people
that are willing to solve problems. We don't need
more wussies that are too afraid try and correct
On Apr 22, 10:47 am, email@example.com wrote:
Thanks. I don't mind PeterD's "PC" opinions about respecting other's
rights, but he jumped to some very foolish conclusions based on lack
of information. My challenges as a homeseller aren't really relevant
to my question - I didn't plan to bring them into the discussion, but
it became necessary in the face of such silliness. Peter's been quiet
since then, so maybe he considers my property rights as sacred as my
scofflaw neighbor's - there's some hope for him.
I'm hopeless, so there!
Make a fair offer on the car. If he'll sell, buy it. If not, contact
the town and report it as a 'junk' vehicle. If the town agrees with
you, and there are rules on junk vehicles in your town, it will go.
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:47:12 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Hogwash. I could care less about feelings. I don't even care about my
feelings. What I am saying is that if someone wants to own an old
junker that is their right.
If as the OP says "it is in violation of local laws" then he should
His options are simple: either buy it for whatever price he and the
seller can agree on (and your feeling of value, my feeling of value,
and everyone else's feeling of value is worthless in this case!) or
report it as a legal problem, or live with it.
I doubt very much that a car on the street is affecting the value of
the OP's house or property--I suspect that there is much more to this
If I were house hunting and saw a neighbor had an old El Camino, I'd
really want to live there and I'd think the folks there were cool. Of
course, I have an old El Camino, and I think people like me are cool.
Maybe you should ask someone the question in alt.real-estate or
rec.condo.commandos-gone-wild. The only response you should get
calling an old car an eyesore in a classic vehicle forum is a smack in
the head for trolling...
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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