So in all of those bets that you won at car shows, no one saw that the
title was for a Falcon Sprint? They couldn't ID the VIN, given these
were car guys that usually know their car history shit? Do you feel
compelled now to refund all of your earnings since you were wrong the
whole time? Were you 83 at the time, and does that explain why you
didn't know what cars you own?
No, what I meant to say was the Mustang was referred to by Ford as the 1964
1/2 Mustang but they have a 1965 VIN number.
I said 1963 in error because the new Sprint and the convertible when they
came out in April of 1963 were referred to as 1963 1/2 Falcons, as well,
because they offered the new engines that met 1964 federal regulations.
My cars have PA lifetime "Historic Car" plates, so I have annual
registration and no generally have no need to look at titles in my bank box
I'll assume that your comment was smiley based. If not, personally I'm
tired of his lies and bullshit and can't always let them go. It never
changes with this guy. How do you really know he's 83? Forgetting and
lying are two different things. Again, this response is only in case
you didn't intend to smiley your post :-)
Excerpt from above:
"The story details Mustang's famed world introduction at the 1964 World's
Fair in New York [April '64] as Mustang #1 travels the Canadian landscape
on a public relations tour. Then the unexplicable - the car accidentally
falls into the hands of an airplane pilot who, unaware of the car's
significance, drives it for two years and more than 10,000 miles before
Ford exchanges another milestone Mustang for it"
More from about half-way down that page:
"While the public first saw the car on April 17, the first production
models rolled off the assembly line in early March since dealers needed to
stock showrooms to capitalize on the upcoming national reveal. The vehicle
identification number (VIN) for the first-ever Mustang was 5F08F100001,"
I have to agree on the 'any car will make it to 250k' bit. Proper
maintenance may very well include a transaxle overhaul, or an engine
overhaul, or both, to get to 250,000 miles.. It really depends on the
particular make and model you are trying to get to 250,000 miles.
Chrysler/Ford/VW automatic transmissions/transaxles....total crap. All
of them, in my opinion. There is just no way in hell any of those
slushboxes would ever make it 250,000 miles without SOME kind of
repair. Then again, I'd like to see any automatic, even a Toyota, go
that far without having a failure. On a standard gearbox, such a feat
wouldn't be all that impressive, but only because there are far fewer
points of failure, and far fewer gaskets/o-rings/AXOD beer-can
aluminum forward pistons(are you listening, Ford?), and so on to break/
You almost sound like you expect a Toyota to go to 250,000 miles with
the hood welded shut, which will never ever happen. Any car, I don't
care who makes it, requires the owner open the hood once a week, take
a peek around, and make sure nothing is amiss. Anyone not willing or
able to do that is destined to buy a new car every 5-6 years or get
sacked with a big repair bill when something major craps out because
something minor was ignored. Then again, that's just how Detroit wants
The problem I see is that as a car ages, things begin to break. Common
sense, right? When one thing breaks, many people will just ignore the
problem and keep driving. Second thing breaks...same thing. 10 broken
things later and a permanently on "Check Engine" light, the owner says
to himself "Self, this car is a piece of shit. I need a new one
because it would cost me about $2000 to fix all the stuff wrong with
this one". So they buy a new car and get on with their life, thinking
that somehow, that new car is cheaper than their old ride.
It isn't. But trying to explain that $2000 today is less than $400 a
month for the next 5 years to most people just gets you a 'deer in the
headlights' stare and a "That guy is crazy for driving a 15 year old
car...." comment as you walk away.
Bottom line, everyone can get to hell their own way, but I'm driving
myself there in either my super beetle(unknown miles but still runs
fine thanks to proper maintenace) or my Kia, 112,000 and going strong,
with proper maintenance. Or maybe the Miata, or maybe the 1988 pickup.
All are paid for, and all run fine. I'll never buy a brand new car
ever again. Don't get me wrong, it was nice; I'd even go so far as to
call it amazing the one time I did buy a brand new car right off the
lot. But I'll never do it again; a brand new car is the worst
investment a person can make in my opinion.
John Muir was right when he proposed the forever car concept. Buy a
car and keep it -forever-. Google it if you don't believe me.
Latest was a younger lady here in town whom I have known for years. She had
one of the
new Beetles, and was happy with it for a couple of years. Then, for the
last year or two,
it has been in the shop every couple of months, and the repairs were not
I suspect this is an unusual situation, or VW wouldnt have the popularity it
has. She got
rid of the thing and bought a Lincoln.
Some of my friends in Germany have had lots of problems with their
electrical systems, while
others of us have had none.
I think all cars are a little more complicated than they really should be.
The worst I have is a Reatta. Electronics were designed and built by Satan
I may junk it.
Yes, mine has the screen interface...Sometimes it works, sometimes it
doesnt. It can be
"fixed" by taking it out and cleaning, replacing certain parts...But it will
only stay "fixed" a
It was hand built, has a number of computers intended to impress, no doubt,
old bluehaired ladies, etc.
It is nice to drive, when it runs.
This and the Allante were not GM's better thought out projects. I thought
that with time
I could re-engineer, repair, this nice looking little coupe. It is a heart
Indeed, they make unreliable vehicles! The 2009 JD Power Vehicle
Dependability Study shows them second from last! Only Suzuki is making
worse. Not sure how Land Rover finally got out of last place this year...
Actually every manufacture is making great stuff today. What these surveys
REALLY prove is that ALL vehicles are falling into the 2% failure rated for
ALL manufactured products, if stated in percentages rather than a list.
If one surveyed only the worlds ten finest cars, one would be on the top and
another on the bottom but they would still be the worlds ten finest car.
wrote in message
Toyota offers 5/60 on powertrain, actually. You may be thinking of
Honda who still holds onto their 3/36 bumper to bumper warranty (and
seems to still sell cars).
The flames would never have started had you not said that you like
Fords! :-) Ironically, if I had to recommend a Ford based on
reliability, price, and cost of ownership, I would probably start with
the Focus. That's not saying much, but I do love me some devil's advocate.
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:12:36 -0500, Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
YOU know I'm a Toyota fan. I had one Honda...Had One Never Did Again...
Only because Toyotas are more accessible. I almost got a Honda Civic Si in
2006 instead of my Scion tC, but there was a 3-4 month wait. Just like in
1977 when I wanted an 'original' Accord...
The Focus is another cool car gone awry. We had one on the lot; probably
didn't sell because it was the funky looking 3-door ZX3 in...yellow....
Now, I like yellow! I matched the color and sprayed a God-Awful Green
Krylon Tercel AWD wagon someone gave me, and then pearl-coated it to make
it *REALLY* glow!
That Focus was one hell of a car! Fast, comfortable, innovative, and I
like quirky looking cars, so I dug it. It was also a 2000, 2nd year IIRC,
so being an American product I was a little leery.
The Taurus was a good car. When you stamp out >1/4 mil in 8 months, you're
bound to have some troubles. Likewise for the Ranger. Get a halfway decent
one, and you have a good little truck.
Personally, I've wanted one of these since I was 9 years old...
Guess I really screwed up then. In '92, I bought a 1988 VW Fox GL wagon.
1.8L/4 speed manual. I put alot of money into it, but nowhere near matchng
new car payments of any vehicle for a few years. 35 city/highway average.
Clutch assembly replaced twice, tranny once, same engine in its lifetime.
Was reliable till last year. Car pulled left from opposing lane in front of
me. VW was beyond economical repair, beyond total insurance reimbursement.
Mileage was over 350K.
Took insurance monies and my some of my own savings to put monies down on a
2008 Focus 5 spd manual, no frills whatsoever. 2 year extended warranty as
well. All last year. Took delivery on Aug. 1st. Had dealer change
oil/filter 3 times since. That's all the maintenance done. Approx. 6700
miles to date. Should I look for 350K miles again?
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:47:09 -0500, Dioclese wrote:
Hmmm....same motor as my Jetta.
Fox wagon was a cool car. And I know of some Rabbit diesel 'trucks' that
have gone >500,000 miles!!
They're too sporadic. If you get a good one, you really have a good car.
But if you get a bad one...
Too bad they can't get a better hold of their quality control. VW makes
some very cool cars.
I have owned two Passats, and they were both darn good, but I have had
friends who owned
them (Passats and the new Beetle) and they were a PITA. It IS sporadic.
I wrote to the CEO of VWUSA a couple of years ago and entreated him to
to improve the quality and to support the client. I, not unexpectedly, got
a reply that he
was deeply involved, dedicated to improving quality, etc etc.
Action talks, bullshit walks
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