Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use
other high cost solutions.
Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay
higher taxes. ;)
tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't
even cover the cost of the highway system.
If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway
system and at least half of our military budget.
That can be easily accomplished, elect more democrats, they are very
proficient at figuring ways to increase taxes. Currently the federal and
state governments ALL make more per gallon on gasoline than do the oil
companies or the retailers. The federal tax is .185c per gallon and the
average state tax is .28c a gallon. Some states like California also add
their sales tax to gasoline in addition to the motor fuel tax. Some states
add to your cost of food by taxing fuels used in farming. Search the
Congressional Record and you will see the recent investigation of the oil
industry, in by the House Energy Committee, showed the oil companies
averaged around 15c a gallon and retailers .05c ;)
Exactly Mike. IF the dimmies get in control they will tax the feel good
crowd while giving them high honors for conserving, also a little pat on
the rump, LOL.
For me increased gas prices don't have much of an impact because I don't
drive that much any more. I either walk or ride a bike for short trips,
it's much more healthy anyway. BTW, if the socialists do gain control,
we'll have absolutely nothing to worry about. They will build huge
amounts of condominiums and force those of us who have our own home and
property out and into condos. This, the socialists say will be more
efficient and tax friendly, for them. LOL.
"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."
According the Department of Commerce, oil companies in general earn around
9% or 10% profit. WalMart and Procter Gambol make well over 20%. Exxon
paid more in federal cooperate taxes than it paid in dividends to the share
holds, who then paid taxes on the SAME money ;)
Jeff, you and Mike are bad readers,,, Or are a bad study,,, Give it
up... You have both taken it beyond your means... Wasting everyone time
if you cannot respond to others... Have a good day, not that I would
think that you would see this message..
Then, ignore the thread.
Yup Done deal! Only because the thread is senseless. The thread had
some good content until you guys took it into space with a version of a
HOT AIR ENGINE...
That was most likely was placate those Senator and Congressmen that were
opposed to giving US taxpayers money to buyers of hybrid vehicles to be
passed on to foreign companies that sell hybrids at premium price, that do
not themselves pay federal corporate income taxes. ;)
I know about this plant, saw it on CNN I think, it is a great idea but
they need about 30 maybe 40 or more. Start building them right now and
our dependence on crude will start to go away. The coal town will come
back, my only hope is that the great amounts will also be spent to take
care of the miners. Safety and health and a better way to get this coal
out. Our current coal mining ideas are probably very old compared to
what they could be if more money was spent on research.
First off I'm not sure why you would not want your post archived... ?
Secondly I do think that People Owned had anything to do with the
That was a dictatorship. The People owned nothing... My wife is from
Russia... She is wonderful...
Well, here I go again.
Follow the society-progression threads in Marx, Lenin, Engels.
"Authoritarianism until enlightenment"
Now understand human nature... who is it runs the central planning; who
manages the national companies?
Where did the Russian Mafia come from? Are we to believe it just sprang,
fully-mature, in the eighties and nineties?
Aren't they the same personality/mindsets that we saw at Enron? Why did
Enron happen? Wasnt it enabled by people-elected politicians setting
little loopholes in the tax-codes?
Why would they be any different in overseeing National Socialism (cause
that's what you really advocate)? Politicians are SMARTER THAN YOU
becuase they got YOU to elect them.
Why did Enron come to light? Because of a whistleblower within. What
happens to someone who does that in a central planning society?
That whistle-blower may get another job at another private company...or
with a government agency (well, prolly not the guvmint for obvious
reasons) but what if the government WAS the employer? Where would that
whistleblower earn a living?
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!
Indeed, Russia was an oligarchy if not a dictatorship. Even so, the people
probably lived better and progressed faster than had the monarchy system
of the czars persisted.
The 'people' used to own the train system and underground in the United
as well. The transportation was good, and affordable. Ditto the health
After privatization, it all went to hell in a handbasket.
Private industry under capitalism does some things very well,and other
abominally. (That is probably why the founding fathers preserved the US
Service as a government function, rather than opening it up to entrepreneurs
But, friends, this fuel problem isn't going to go away. You can put your
the sand if you wish, but when you pull it out, the problem will still be
We need real answers, not a temporary source of cheap gasoline.
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