Requim for Detroit

By workers, management and the board of directors. All just hen pecked GM to death while producing crap.

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Canuck57
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It can take at least a generation to fix Detroit and east Germany social issues. But it does start with a good edication.

Germany is also in financial trouble. Don't kid yourself.

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Canuck57

I mean anyone personally that thinks GM bailout was good. There are so many economic reasons why GM should have been liquidated it isn't funny. Now you have a giant leach sucking hard with people saddled with the debt.

Someone would have bought GM, fired management and union and cleaned up GM by now. In fact, they would probably be making money and hiring big time by now. Get a 20 year no-union BS and some rich cats like Warren would have paid $30 billion for GM too.

And most likely a decades of a lower standard of living as the debts consume wealth. As all the debt, 30% more debt will be added under Obama in just 2 years. That isn't going to be cheap.

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Canuck57

You mean like your's? BWWWAAAHAHAHA...you illiterate little turd.

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Dave

It sure was a heavy burden to take over the ruins after the communism and stupid management. Interestingly enough the same can be said of the failed communism and stupidity of both East Germany and GM. The difference is how the failure is treated. For 20 years Germany is bringing up a new generation of people and is getting back on its feed. In Detroit the schools are closed and what is growing up is an area know mostly for burnt down house, derelict ruins and drugrelated generations of uneducated slums. The communists left a less bad legacy than GM.

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Björn Helgaso

now that's a stretch GM brought down detroit , and the communists are better than GM. you either live in the wrong country or your world is awful dim.

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Tom

Much less worse. It would be easier to upscale east germany than to deal with Detroit. Nobody wants to do what it takes to fix Detriot.

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Canuck57

Yes it is a stretch, but not a stretch to say the same mentality and culture that brought GM down also brought Detroit down. Entitlement, poor work ethics, greed, corruption, unions, liberal debt, lack of mutual respect and low to non-existant morals. A cancer actually.

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Canuck57

The government is supposed to make sure everyone goes to school and provide healthcare not be running a company that only lines the pocket of the rich. The so called communist states did exactly the same so Detroit is an example of same corruption and negligence as any other dictatorship like Zimbabwe and friends.

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Björn Helgaso

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They brought Detroit down but only moved GM

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Björn Helgaso

Hey, if you are not needed or doing something for someone else, you are useless. Worth is zip.

No doubt, GM was corrupt, right to the core. Should have been let to die. Now we have a blood sucking zombie.

Reply to
Canuck57

Oh please no! Barf!

Reply to
Bill Putney

finally gone bust like GM

Very similar reasons

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gosinn

Yep, the credit ran out, productive people have left, no one left to pay for union and politician tax greed.

It was inevitable as Detroit has been on this path for 5 decades, and reality just caught up to the debt-statism types.

With the numbers of companies, cities and states that are bankrupt, I am just waiting for the 2008 like crash. As Obama/Bernanke can't keep electronically counterfeiting no value money forever.

Canada is no different, Ontario, Quebec, PEI, BC, Winnipeg, Toronto and more all heading towards default.

But hey, politicians love pushing bailout corruption. Tax people that often have no pensions, have lower wages and cut their government benefits for noisy greedy politicians ad unions. Its ll about corruptiona nd greed gone mad.

Answer here is Detroit workers get their wages and benefits hacked, you lay off all waste and run the city like a business. But first, you have to fire, run off or get rid of the rotten corrupt bas-ards running the show.

Even cut the pensions of the last 50 years as the corrupt collecting pensions they never paid for deserve no breaks. Its high time the governments take the pain the productive people have to deal with.

Or just fire the entire city at once with a giant foreclosure and rebuild it completely. But this time limit the voting to people who pay for it, and not let a majority who think governemtn money is free out run the productive people.

Reality just caught up with Detroit. Coming to a Canadian city near you as bailouts and transfers reward dysfunctional behavior and we love taxing the crap out of Candioans for dysfunction and government bloat.

A good movie to watch is "Idiocracy". When I watched it I thought it was a stupid movie but then I got the hidden message. If you keep reward> finally gone bust like GM

Reply to
Canuck57

problems are many

too spead out

only one industry

lots of corruption

going downhill for decades

too reliant on cars

it is difficult to see detroit coming back

it is worth studying for others to learn from the mistakes

we are slowly finding out that traveling in single big expensive combustion engine cars is not the way to go

we should have found that out a long time ago but a lot of people have not accepted it yet

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gosinn

BS

More BS. Cars are a much more efficient way to travel. The only reason "they are not the way to go" is when a city gets too big that it's no longer livable. If you want to live in that kind of city you are welcome to but the cost per trip will be HIGHER in that mass transit and the TOTAL trip will take longer. You won't see the higher cost most of the time because OTHERS are paying for at least half of the operating cost and almost all of the construction cost. With a car you pay for your own car and almost all the operating cost.

Reply to
Ashton Crusher

many cities have free driverless electrical public transport

google has made driverless cars

gm might rise from the ashes if they started to make such cars

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gosinn

The real future IMHO is PodCars. Little 2 people pods that drive themselves on fixed "guidways", like wires in the ground, for most of the trip and at the beginning and end the driver does the driving. electric most likely. Probably 50 years away. Detroit would be a good place to start on them.

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Ashton Crusher

they are already available

Reply to
gosinn

In wide scale use over many miles? I've heard of the rentacar systems but nothing that uses computer controlled end to end driving to major points and available to anyone with a credit card. What application are you thinking of and where?

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Ashton Crusher

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