That real Pontiac of yours was a whale-sized, tasteless, bad handling, gas
guzzling, poor braking, zero-steering feel, boat with a nose that even an
Edsel designer would be embarrassed by.
In every way, the Torrent is a better car. No kidding, if you ever see one
of the mid-60's monsters in the flesh, so to speak, you will be shocked how
crude a design it is.
The Torrent is a better car in many important ways, but if I had my choice
of the two brand new cars, at the same price, I'd take the '68 in a
heartbeat. OTOH, I'm retired and for me, long commutes are a thing of the
Hah! you could say the same thing about a 1939 cadillac, in reality they
were works of art. Of course cars are better made today, technology advances
make them that way, but they sure as hell are not classier. 30 years from
now I bet the torrent will have little or no appeal at all simply because
they have little or no appeal today except to soccer moms. But if you go
back to 1968 many cars of the day had lots of appeal and many knew that they
would be classics 30 or 40 years later which has been proven by the prices
they bring. Sure the car handled like a boat, but it was a highway cruiser
that floated down the road which is what people wanted then, open road high
speed cruisers. Smooth cars that leveled all the bumps. They were very good
at that. Very few cars today will float over bumps like an airplane.
Now if someone offered you a Brand new Torrent or a Mint Condition 1968
Catalina which would you take? The Catalina I am sure...not only that a show
room mint conditioned 68 Catalina would probably even be worth more than a
brand new Torrent so its a no brainer.
Oh, please, there is nothing "work of art" about the '68 Bonney or Catalina.
You want to talk about a 68 Goat, that's a different story, and a 69 even
more so. Even the vanilla Tempest or LeMans series were good looking cars in
'68. '68 was an awkward year for the big GM cars. It just happened. Before
the '65 restyle they were tasteful if bland, right after the restyle for two
years they were OK, but then the styling staff lost it. They went over the
top. And not interesting over-the-top like the Bat-Mobile Caddy's of late
'50's early '60's, but "ugh" over the top like BMW has gone under Chris
Bangle recently. The big Pontiacs were the worst. Come on, look at that
nose! It's hideous and stupid because it destroys any utility to the front
bumper. Then go look at a '65 or '66 or '67. They backed off on the '69's
and those look better. '68 is the valley.
They all drove like crap, of course, and were whales, but a lot of 'em were
interesting looking. Just not the big '68's.
try 6 mpg
with a 17 yr old kid, a 1969 bonneville 4-door 428 dual exhaust V-8, and 97
LEADED PREMIUM gas (which isn't even made anymore)
summer of 1976........... and leaded premium was 75.9 cents a gallon
> On 3/16/2006 8:52 AM ... Behode ApaleHorse wrote:
I'd take the 1967 GTO that I once own over the new GTO any day. The
styling was far and away more interesting. Ford did things right with
the 2005 Mustang by bringing back some of the 1960's legacy styling.
I know exactly what those old Goats would do from the factory and the
current GTO would utterly eat any factory Goat (even a Royal Bobcat which
was not even a factory car) alive.
Now you want to talk about an old GTO that has been "breathed on", that may
be a different story, but then to be fair you have to let somebody do some
tricks with the new GTO and you end up where we started, anyway. You know
there is a Lingenfelter upgrade available for the new GTO, for example?
You are aware that these new GTO's have a 400 horse (and I mean real
horsepower not the old SAE gross hp that was advertised in the '70's and was
wildly inflated as a result) LS2 Corvette engine?
We will not discuss comparative handling, as the old GTO's did not exhibit
anything that would be called handling in the modern meaning of the term.
The old Goats were pretty to look at, accelerated very well for their day,
sounded great and are very valuable as collectibles, but they are TOTALLY
out-classed by the modern GTO (or even a Subaru Sti) in every performance
Actually, it is with a great fondness of sorts that I was referring to a
Goat that had been "breathed on" as you so eloquently put it. You're
right - to be fair it would be necessary to allow the same sort of work on a
newer GTO - but that just wouldn't be quite as nostalgic.
SAE HP in many cases was underated in the muscle cars to keep insurance
rates low. The Chrysler 426 hemi rated at 425hp was way underated, some say
it was putting out closer to 500hp factory stock. Look it up.
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