I thought the same about the civic interior.. When I bought
my recent car, I had the choice of quite a few various used
civics and corollas.. I was actually leaning to the civic more
at first. But... I just couldn't warm up to the drab and spartan
looking interiors/dash on the civics.. Really plain and cheap
looking to me.. On the other hand, the corolla interior
looked a bit better to me.. To me, the interior of the
corolla is kinda like being in a baby impala. Almost
has a US car look to it.. Not quite so drab as the civic..
So... Even though I might prefer the outside looks of the
civic, I prefer the inside of the corolla, and the inside
is where I spend most of my time.
One thing... My comparisons did not include the newest
version of civic, cuz I was buying from used cars..
That was another reason I went with the corolla.. The
05 corolla I got is still the current version, until the 08's come
out, where as the 03-05 civics were already a discontinued
version. So the 05 corolla had a slightly newer look to it
vs the civics I looked at being it was still a current version.
I'm not totally anti american as far as car choice.. I don't
have much problem with *any* brand car I get. I think
maintaining them is a large part.. I wouldn't be afraid to
buy GM.. Many are pretty good. We had a 02 impala
that was a pretty nice car. Never had any trouble with it.
But I was shooting for high MPG, and the civics and corollas
were up in the top range for that, not counting hybrid..
I could have bought a hybrid civic, but I was paranoid to
mess with it.. More to go wrong... I'd rather get 40 mpg from
a simple gas burning engine with no batteries, etc, than
get an extra 10 mpg with the extra complexity and cost..
In a long term financial view, I think the corolla costs less
than a hybrid in the long term. Mainly cuz the initial cost
is lower, but also upkeep should be lower in the longrun.
You gotta consider insurance too.. But maybe that will
change if gas hits 7 bucks a gallon.. :(
My old 89 accord has a very nice interior.. Quite fancy
overall.. Dunno why the newer ones got so blah looking..
IMO, it's the back end of the new Camry that's ugly. (Up till now, they've
been fine, IMO.) The Camry's dash & console, OTOH, I like a lot - at least
(IIRC) on the higher end LE - its silvery-aqua with the light (pretend) wood
is pretty: light & airy - visually appealing.
However, I've never bought a Camry & most likely never will, simply because
it's a bigger car than what I need. Instead, the Corolla for me. If I ever
spend more $ than a Corolla costs when buying a new car, it's going to be
spent on a Prius!
I'd just not get caught
I think it is an idea, not a sign of desperation.
Lots of good points noted especially resale.
My opinion is the following as I work in the industry (supplier to all
makes) and own a Honda and a Buick and a Jeep, and a Dodge currently and
drive about 50,000 miles a year as well as an enthusiast in the auto
industry and offer the following..
- Without a doubt, resale is higher but this is only driven by demand.
- Honda, and other importers did, and in many cases now do have better
quality. When new players arrive going back years for example Isuzu, they
would bend over backwards to back up and repair and make good on the first
years, even out of warranty.
- I will tell you with experience and dealing with many people in many OEM's
that once the companies are established it is about market share and
PROFITS, including the established imports.This is really been the message
in the last 2 years.
- MANY components are from the same supplier(s) across all brands.
- Dealers and Service are only as good as the people, not the brand.
- All vehicles need to be evaluated on there own merits in real time (not
reputation) and I do not believe there is a huge desparity between brands
(price point, quality) at the moment for established players.There is
however personal preference in a choice in a car but this is manipulated
- The number one occupation in 2007 with the highest increase in
nothing wrong with this just a fact.
CONGRESS, each year voting themselves an average salary increase of
But seriously, GM cars are perceived as 'Old People' cars.
Hardly any young people even LOOK much less buy GM/FORD cars anymore.
Maybe GM or FORD should offer a new brand, "GANGSTA" brand for that
young crowd with low IQ's and terrible taste in music.
It would sell. They could have the GANGSTA brand of cars sell at
special dealerships with a 'theme' of guns, bongs, etc.
GM should 'Get Movin'
Americans are confused, especially the youth, look at what the listen to on
the radio, rap music, they drive pimped out $500 used Honda Civics with a
$5000 stereo system in the trunk and put a coffee can muffler on it and
think they are driving a cool hotrod. Anyone driving a 70 Camaro SS is
uncool cuz its American. They are actually sellouts. I hate to be around
when they start to run the country, but the US is already dying anyway. Its
burned itself out with ignorance and excess.
I don't about with young people, but cars from the 70s are quite popular
these days. They're also quite pricey. A lot middle-aged men are making
projects out fixing these cars with their kids. A great investment and a
great way to bond with your kids. Kind of like Tim the Tool Man Taylor
did on the Home Improvement show.
Either way (90s Civic or 70s Camaro or 00s Model A), cool is in the eye
of the beholder.
I think those pimped out Honda Civics are stupid, especially when a lot
of people who do this would be better off using the time to visit the
library and read the books there or using the money for education.
> They are actually sellouts. I hate to be around
On Sat, 26 May 2007 13:05:01 -0400, Wickeddoll wrote:
I've seen plenty of modified Hondas that, if you pressed the gas too hard,
the suspension would shatter cause they heated the springs and shortened
them rather than replaced them. This also sets the suspension screwy and
throws handling and safety out the window. It's all for looks.
To build a suspension properly takes hundreds if nout a thousand dollars
or more. Most of what you're seeing are poseurs. That pic of the Jimmy you
posted a link to actually looked like it was done correctly (and why I
said I liked it) rather than cobbed up junk.
A suspension and an exhaust don't make a Hot Rod. First steps, maybe.
My point is that young people have been disfiguring cars for as long as cars
have existed. You can watch movies from the 50s and see some really
Kids will always try to individualize cars, in order to stand out.
Adults will often try to individualize cars, houses, bicycles,their
bodies, whatever they have, in order to stand out, too.
However, not all kids try to individualize cars, though. Many don't have
cars. And many who do, have other things to do.
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