Well all of this brings me back to the other branch of this thread which asks what about buyers agents? I used one in the past with great success. The car and price were already lined up for me before I stepped foot in the dealership.
But I haven't done that in 16 years, and now when I search for car buyers agents I am sent to websites for larger agencies that do this. Anyone have any recent experience with these or can recommend an service or particular agent? I would use the guy I used before, but I've long since lost his contact info and who knows if he's even still in the business.